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The data for the 2024 Model Y RWD is already out, ~66 kWh extracted on the EPA testing. The outstanding question was if it was software locked or a physically smaller pack, which has now been verified to be sw locked. That was evident by the curb weight of the vehicle but good to have...

Yeah, they also can't use imported LG packs for 2024 Model Y even if they wanted because of the "Foreign Entity of Concern" restriction which would disqualify them from the EV credit.

Performance model?

They rarely seem to hit that 82kWh mark though.

You mean Model 3 LR not Model Y, right? Model 3 LR was recently re-introduced in the US and range went down from 358 EPA miles to 333. Makes sense that it's due to the LG pack. That's what I thought but just wanted to confirm because they've recently started delivering Shanghai made cars in...

Is it a US manufactured car?

Interesting, didn't certification documents say 55kWh?

Panasonic 2170 cells for Tesla are made in GF Nevada.

What's the difference between VC and VS?

Yes, it folds into that "mini underfloor" space. Plenty of videos on youtube:

You just fold down the seats, the trunk space with the seats folded is practically identical. All you miss out on is the second underfloor storage area which is small, shallow and oddly shaped.

There's no reason to want a 5-seat over a 7-seat, the 7-seat is now cheaper than the 5-seat thanks to it qualifying for the $7500 credit. Waiting isn't without risk, it is expected that in March the IRS will have finalized the critical mineral requirements which will likely mean that even...

Not sure what you're going on about, they sold all the 3/Y they could in the US.

7-seat Model Y qualifies, so they don't need to push prices below $55k to get the credit. Just have to make that the standard.

Those SR 4680 Model Y's have always been popping up in inventory, nothing new.

I get what you mean and I agree for the most part but technically it wasn't paid for in April, that's why I said nobody who paid for it had it removed, instead you placed a refundable deposit which would have been refunded had you not agreed to the change.

Nobody who paid for it had it removed.

Thanks for the reply, always good to hear your 2ct ;) Why do you think they designed the BYD blade pack to have less energy than the CATL (58 vs 62 kWh) rather than equal? As you mention there is space for more cells. Yeah I also agree that SR 4680 in Europe doesn't make much sense until they...

So they said they won't refund your $250 order fee if you cancel?

@eivissa Any news on 2023 updates for 3/Y? Will we be seeing CATL LMFP cells for SR in Q1 2023?

I'm aware but google translate doesn't work on that forum and each post has to be translated individually. Anyway the point I was making is that those of us who don't speak German won't be checking on the TFF forums so might miss the news posted on there. Since Eivissa is active on both forums...

Thank you, if I'm reading it correctly the weight is the same as the Model Y LR? Would be cool if you could post the same stuff on here in the future as well for those of us that don't know German.

Eivissa do you have any further info on the rumors about a Berlin Model Y SR using BYD LFP blade cells? I heard 55kWh which seems weird as the Model 3 SR with CATL LFP cells is 60kWh.

No, Model 3 won't be getting 4680's anytime soon.

Yeah under the bed would be ideal, those that want to carry a spare can do so and those that do not can use that space as storage.

Those issues pertain to LG pouch cells, nothing to do with the cylindrical ones Tesla uses.

I actually don't know 🤣 If there's anyone here that knows what is the easiest way to check for a rear megacasting please feel free to share.

Can anyone who's recently received or is about to receive a Model 3 from Shanghai check if they are now using rear giga castings?

This only reminded me how much cooler the stainless steel bed was vs. the most recent prototype :(

Has anyone been able to confirm whether the LG 5L packs are NMC or NCMA?

I wouldn't necessarily want them to unveil the compact this year but when he was asked I was expecting to hear that they had started work on it. Then again for that to have happened the design & engineering on the CT would have had to be wrapped up, but for whatever reason that is clearly not...

Thing is you have to start design & engineering of the compact now if you want it to be ready sometime in say 2024, and that is quite an optimistic timeline already. Cybertruck hopefully in 2023 isn't confidence inspiring either. Fair enough. I think it is safe to say the folks at Tesla know...

Terrible idea. Trucks have much better margins than compacts. Going for a design that caters to Europeans would be a mistake, TAM for trucks in Europe is tiny compared to the US. Now if you said "I wish they would start design & engineering on a compact car so that they can bring it to market...

You're not wrong but what does this have to do with the Cybertruck?

Leaving semantics aside, which are not worth arguing, what does not convince you of its functionality?

Practically speaking almost nobody tows a 5th wheel with 1/2 ton trucks, and the Cybertruck is squarely aimed at the half ton market. It seems to me the issue about not having access to the bed from the sides is grossly exaggerated given that unlike an ICE there is a frunk and possibly sail...

People keep repeating this but never articulate it. How is the Cybertruck not functional?

Reservations prove you wrong. Aside from the yoke, which I hope won't be the only option, there's nothing about the Cybertruck that isn't practical. The width numbers are wrong, you need to take the ones without mirrors as the CT at the unveil didn't have any.

I don't ever remember him saying zero changes. I wish because I liked the one at the unveil better, however I have to admit it is for the most part unchanged. Does a windshield wiper seriously bother you that much? Personally I never believed in the laser wipers. The magnetic ones did sound...

Not sure what you're going on about: 1) Front bumper is pretty much identical. 2) Everybody knew mirrors were happening unless the US changed its laws in time (digital mirrors are already legal in the EU). 3) Everybody knew some form of wiper was happening. 4) Not a significant difference, they...

I must have missed it, why did the range go from 614km to 602km with the E5LD Model 3 LR?

True, though it would look even better if it were straight and not have that kink where it attaches to. What you just wrote doesn't make any sense. The Rivian is the least "truck" out of all, it has a tiny 4.5ft bed.

US is EPA cycle not WLTP, hence the difference.

What are the pros and cons of hairpin vs. wound stators?

As for when Berlin will produce vehicles with 4680's and what it will entail nobody knows for sure. However I think 6 months is a little too optimistic given the construction status of the cell building in Berlin.

The battery for MIC SR's was LFP already so that can't be it.

Like the MIC Model Y SR, the MIC Model 3 SR now has a slower 0-60 time (6.1s vs 5.6s), is that due to new more efficient motors being introduced? or the LFP battery going from 55kWh to 60kWh?

As long as they are being sold with the 580km WLTP rating that is ok in my mind given the people that get the smaller pack are still getting what they paid for. Though obviously it is not ideal that some are getting better than that despite paying the same amount.

Just to clarify, what do you mean by back and forth? That the old packs will be mixed in with the new ones so it is luck of the draw?

My guess is they sort the packs depending on capacity, those that come out higher go into Performance models the rest go into LR's.