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And I respect your desire for that autonomous driving. My point is that we don't have it just yet. I too look forward to the time when we have it in a useful ODD, but I'm more pessimistic about companies burdening themselves with the legal ramifications just yet.

And you still tried to pass the note, but the teacher caught you. 😉

I don't care if it's less safe, as safe, or more safe - doesn't alter the fact that it's an L2 driver assist and I have to pay attention.

We're human, the car isn't. The car doesn't have your sense of intuition, your highly evolved brain, your sixth sense about the world around you. It just has its cameras to view the world in a very narrow range compared to humans, and software which operates very restrictively, trying to keep...

The only consumer car in the US with eye-off, hands-off is Mercedes with Drive Pilot L3, which isn't on the roads yet, at least that I can see. I see lots of test videos, and demos from Mercedes employees to the media/influencers, but not seeing average John Doe videos in action. Hands-off...

This is all feeling a bit "passing notes in class"... You write a note and start to pass it to a friend, when the teacher sees you and says "Alan! Stop passing notes and pay attention to the blackboard." So you face forward and the teacher turns around, after which you start passing the note...

Curious if late models with IR blasters can see through sunglasses and solve this. My 2021 MY does not have IR, so I'm interested in this. However, I also don't have wheel nags because I keep my hands on the wheel naturally, so it may not affect me.

5-10 seconds is an eternity when driving. It takes, at most, 2 seconds to confirm anything critical while driving. This means checking your mirrors, seeing your speed, setting your speed in AP/FSD, etc. Use the wheels and voice for most everything else. "Set temperature to 72 degrees"...

I'm getting popcorn to watch the cage match between Tesla, with less nags, and NHTSA who's pissed about there not being enough driver attention confirmation.

I'm curious how they're stitching the HW4 feeds to the NN in an emulated fashion. My understanding is that HW4 has 1 less front camera - HW3 had 3 forward cameras, 1 wide angle, 1 standard, and 1 narrow focus camera. HW4 has two front facing cameras (not sure if they are both standard, or is...

There is no "dumb" cruise control. TACC -> Autopilot -> FSDS If you have paid or subscribe to FSD, the new FSD v12 significantly reduces PBs (at least for me) to the point that I rarely have them anymore. However, the older AP (which includes TACC) still has PBs, as it's using older code...

So opt out of the suit and sue independently.

The separation power of the average human eye, in good light, is about 1 minute of arc, or about 0.0003 radians, or about 0.29 mils, Which means that an average observer -- Can see a person (as a dot) at about 2 or 3 km or 1 or 2 miles, provided that the person wears clothing which makes a good...

To be pedantic, all turns are simple given the right traffic conditions. Crossing 4 lanes each way is easy when there's no other cars around. 3 lanes each way with a median and moderate traffic is not simple. Heck, a 2 lane road with heavy traffic can be impossible within a reasonable amount...

It's much easier for a human, as we have a visual range of about 3 miles. If the Telsa had cameras with a 2500 feet distance, it would likely perform much better.

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/what’s-the-point-if-i-have-to-tug-the-wheel-every-10-seconds.327160/#post-8257176

^^^ this

This is true for lots of technology, not just FSD. I've driven my Tesla for so long now that when I had to drive a friends ICE car, I panicked briefly when I let off the gas and the car didn't slow down. Oh yeah - brake pedal. :)

I'm Vegas this weekend. Seeing lots of Zoox running with safety drivers around Park MGM

This is purely anecdotal but I've tested a few times and the high school near me causes 25mph during the day, but doesn't in the late afternoon and evening. Not sure if this new behavior or an aberration.

So that means you're going to hold onto it? 😂 You walked right into that one.

Check Settings - Navigation There is a setting for rerouting to save time. Mine is set for 10 mins. Meaning if another route will save me 10 mins or more, it'll reroute. U-Turns are a new behavior, and may not work properly depending on if the car thinks it can make it. I've had it fail and...

I think you misunderstood me. I never said they're feeding random videos to it. Of course they are only feeding good driver videos. Could you imagine feeding bad driver video into the system? As for the traffic laws, we're both locked in our positions, so we'll end that discussion. Was...

Something like this: https://www.thinkautonomous.ai/blog/tesla-end-to-end-deep-learning/ The DOT has guidance they offer, but it's up to the municipalities and states to adopt them. DOT would need to update their guidance, and states would need to adopt them. Another example, aside from my...

Glad I could entertain you, Gear. Humans are geofenced, in a very generalized way. We get comfortable with our local traffic laws, how our intersections work, how our roundabouts work, being able to turn on red, or being in the intersection when the light turns red, etc. If you go on a...

Our traffic laws are not ready for ADAS and AVs. Unfortunately our legislators are old, and just can't move at the speed of technology.

Seriously people? NHTSA is up Tesla's ass on driver monitoring - "Fixed" means the monitoring will be back, and that nag-free drives for 10 mins was a bug.

I think it's a weight issue with the model. I think the default is to go into the left most turn lane, but the navigation had it turning right in 500 feet after the turn, so the two were fighting.

I finally experienced the "waffling" on a left turn. It couldn't make up its mind which lane to get in. Really simple to correct, I just disengaged, picked the lane and reengaged about 2 seconds later.

Settings, Autopilot, Lane Change Notification Set that to Off

Imagine the media's collective heads exploding if a Tesla on FSD did this...

My bad - it's in the Autopilot settings - thought it was in Navigation:

It's true you can sue anyone for anything. But there needs to be some sort of damages you need Tesla to make whole. Your previous lawsuits had such monetary damages. What would your damages be on this one?

In settings, Navigation, do you have Exit Passing Lane enabled?

But has it always hit curbs, or is a new thing with v12?

Sorry ewood, but I must agree with Alan. I even helped him validate offsets to confirm. I have personally never experienced excessive speeding with v12 yet. My car will keep up with the flow of traffic around me on ASSO, and have had it go 55 in a 45 due to traffic flow, but never in light or...

I'll just toss my observations in here for fun: The cameras can absolutely see quite a ways away. This is evident and observable easily by pinch zooming out at an intersection and watching the car track all the traffic all 4 ways. The distance is also pretty accurate. This is also evident...

For now, until laws catch up with technology, robotaxis are okay: If your L3 or higher system bends/breaks the traffic laws (rolls a stop, cuts a yellow too close and runs a red, changes lanes over a solid white line, speeds, etc.) they cannot be cited. Our L2 FSD obviously can be cited...

Tesla trained chimp here. Been training for about 3.5 years. All the training has left me with a car that is fun to drive and takes me almost everywhere on FSD with minimal interaction from me. It's a bummer it doesn't work well for you, but sounds like you found something better for you in...

Exactly

Have you tried rebooting?

In this case, wouldn't FSD creep to gain visibility? It wasn't a controlled intersection.

So to be clear before I once again call my local police station, and local DMV, you're concerned that stopping 6-8 feet from a stop line (or crosswalk at an intersection) is illegal. Or do you think it's legal, but just not appropriate and can cause safety issues?

Glad you admit to driving illegally when you deem it best for you and others around you. Nothing wrong with admitting you break the law. 😁. I'm sure a police officer, if questioned, would absolutely agree that speeding when everyone else is doing so is correct and legal. 😉

Hmmm.... The law also requires many other things including not speeding, but we all know your thoughts on which laws you obey and which you ignore. 😋

You should DM Alan and let him know the name and contact info of your driving instructors so he can reach out to them and let them know they're wrong. 😁

They're referring to the number of miles to recalibrate the cameras - it took them about 50 miles to finish calibration so the system would work.

More importantly, we have no confirmation that the car was on AP at the time. There have been many accidents where the driver claims the car was on AP, but turns out it wasn't. It's a common human "panic" statement when faced with possible criminal or civil penalties - "It wasn't my fault"

Okay - reading that gave me a headache. :) Every point they make is also true when you have to leave - meaning you have to back out of the parking spot.

Since I've been on v12, FSD "parks" for me at my house. By "park", I mean that it arrives at my house and then hunts for an open spot on the curb and then pulls over and parks at the curb. Previously it just stopped in the middle of the street and said I've arrived.