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Resale is a function of the overall market. KBB does factor it in, just not directly. The going rate for any product determines it's price. Manufacturers cut fleet sales on short inventory. During the pandemic, rental companies were buying used vehicles off the street at market rates just to...

Can't have it both ways. But of course Tesla, like Apple, controls the entire ecosystem, so they do what they want anyway.

You keep assuming I'm asking for FUSC, I'm not. I'm asking for PAYG, which wasn't a option in 2013. If $2,500 came with FUSC, its still crap value, but at least it would be the same upgrade as what was offered in 2013, and could be justified as such. That's just simply not the case.

He is a good advocate for getting out of debt, he uses common sense strategies for that. Frankly, the people that should take his advice don't have enough financial literacy to utilize other financial tools yet. As you said, as they move in their financial journey, and educate themselves...

I can't speak to other manufacturers, as I don't own their products, but Ford currently doesn't charge for any updates on their vehicles that receive OTA updates. Frankly, it wouldn't surprise me if Tesla eventually went that route. The PAYG SuC seems to be low hanging fruit in my opinion...

That doesn't drive revenue for them, adding PAYG SuperCharging would add revenue for them.

Straight out of the Dave Ramsey "all debt is bad debt" playbook. Every situation is unique, and you have to do what is right for your own finances. I leverage the *sugar* out of my credit card, it quite literally costs me money to pay cash, 2% of every transaction. But hey, I pay my credit card off...

Leasing is not always a great idea, but its far from "NEVER" a good idea. Especially on a depreciating asset. Sure, buying a fully depreciated, quality, reliable used car is the financially prudent thing to do. That's no way to live life though, lots of people want new cars for lots of...

Agreed, the EPA should not be allowing separate tests for the same function. The whole point of EPA ratings is so consumers can compare different vehicles efficiency using the same conditions. That's simply not the case for range in EVs

It's that a fact for Honda ECUs? Many manufacturers tout HP/TQ figures using premium (usually 93 octane).

Depends on the engine. Most ICE cars on sale today have some variation of intake timing (VTEC, TI-VCT, VANOS, VVT-i, etc). Higher octane allows the ECU to advance the timing without detonation, increasing power and fuel economy.

This has been my experience. I can absolutely maintain just under 300 wh/mi on flat ground @ 65mph which would translate to a little more than the rated range displayed at 100%. Yesterday with a lot of stops in between, I drove 65 miles and used 79 miles indicated, lots of hills as well.

Helpful. AZ is significantly hotter than San Francisco. I very rarely use the climate control. My range (in the rated setting) is dead on if I'm on flat highway driving at 65 with the climate off. I usually average right around 350 wh/mile in mixed driving, which would translate to around 171...

My 2013 60 with 163k miles (2nd owner) Gets around 190 @ 100% (According to the GOM). Is the GOM saying 164, or is that what you experience? Do you use the climate control? What's your average Wh/Mile?

Apples to apples: Model Y EPA Testing https://dis.epa.gov/otaqpub/display_file.jsp?docid=51237&flag=1 Page 30 UDDS Charge Depleting Test: 446 miles Page 32 HWY Charge Depleting Test: 398 Miles Range based on these tests (as is done on the Mach E, others...) would be (446*.7)*.55= 172 +...

Do you have this equivalent for the Mach E or can you point me in that direction?

Agree 100%, the EPA needs to come up with a better solution so you can get accurate comparisons.

Thank you for that, is the load difference so great that it results in an additional 13.8kWh of consumption in real world (based on the EPA consumption of 276 wh/mi), or 15% of the EPA estimated range?

I'm saying that if all EVs are tested under the same conditions, the real world and EPA tests would not have such discrepancies between different brands. Clearly, Tesla are doing something different; my understanding was that there are two range tests, which you clarified there are not.

Right, but the tests are standardized with respect to aero and HVAC.

Thank you for the clarifications. Why is there such a discrepancy between the EPA estimated range and the real world on Tesla compared to the other manufacturers? While MPGe is important for efficiency comparisons, people don't compare efficiency on EVs during the research gathering phase of...

They should be able to see that discussion, I'd imagine it's linked to the VIN in their system, much like service history in my dealer's system. Seems egregious to me, but so does $2500 for PAYG access.

I think a large part of the issue is that the point of the EPA estimates, as you said, is so consumers can compare apples to apples. I.E. This is how this vehicle performs using our standard testing. If you compare a Chevy Silverado to a Ford F-150, they're tested using the same cycle, so the...

Sure it does, if you make it. That was my point, it's not about the one guy, it's about the perception that the company is supporting customers long term. Think bigger picture. Marketing is predisposing a perspective, ask Apple. It's not about me or the OP, it's about the customer on the fence...

You laugh now. Tesla had a head start, but they should be conscious enough not to become the hare. General vehicle buyers have and will buy other makes/models. https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/07/07/ev-sales-hyundai-overtakes-gm-but-teslas-us-dominance-continues.html

Tesla is no longer a niche manufacturer, the general public is now looking at the competitors in addition to Tesla. Perception is reality, and as a mainstream manufacturer in a suddenly crowded market, everything matters.

No contortion required. I don't see myself as on moral high ground in this scenario (unless this is directed at OP, then ignore this). I'm looking at it from a business perspective with positive PR/Spin. Tesla has an opportunity to look good and make more money. As it is now, they're making...

I'm just not going to take any trips in it. I bought the car with the intention of charging it once a month for my wife's 6 mile round trip commute. Boy does this thing drink electrons just sitting there. I lose about 6 miles in 24 hours. Supercharging was always a bonus, I was not aware that I...

Second owner of a Model S 60. I bought the car used, in the Specs on the app it specifically calls out the ability to supercharge. Which was frustrating to find out with 19 miles of range that Tesla wants to charge $2,500 for a software switch. Like rigidly. I barked up to a regional manager...