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Did you get new cameras? I paid for MCU2/HW3 upgrade since I only had paid for EAP. Then I tried the FSD subscription and they were happy to take my money and not let me know I would need to pay for camera upgrade!

I'm at 200 mile range on 2017 X75D with 85k miles so 15 percent degradation

IRA limitation go in effect Jan1, 2023 EXCEPT for the made in North America clause which will go in effect 8/15 so you can still buy MachE/Lightning/Rivian/Lucid till Dec 31, 2022 with no limits only way for foreign makers is via binding sales agreements by tomorrow!

Yes it is annoying and I think it was done on purpose. I also don't seem to see the KW rate on app while charging

Interesting; if you have MCU1 you can get Refund of FSD! That kind of puts an end to MCU1 chances of FSD support... pay 2k MCU2 upgrade or just ask for 5k FSD refund. https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/posts/6273887/

Yes my charge curve is good ( was restored a few months back) I start at 115kw and taper linearly down as expected...also the time to charge estimate is now correct (was off for most of last year). I do a lot of 0-100 percent use profiles; mostly with Level 2 though. I wish we would get the...

So I was playing around with app called Stats and; 2017 x75D with 65k miles; 100% rated is around 205mi (was as low as 202 a few months back...I see a little improvement on Battery Health 89% of similar cars have better range than me. Average is 217 or 8 percent degradation 69KWH battery...

I was getting tons of unsafe following on EAP (even with set at 7) and also a lots of Autopilot disengage.. As well every time car would cross double lines on country roads and I'd have to take over.

So I assume you are not driving with EAP/NOA on? just TACC? most of my bad scoring was using EAP.

There now seem to be no evidence that opting in has sped up the camera upgrades which is what is holding up access to FSD beta

This might sound stupid but WHY are they letting you opt in the Safety Score if you have not even been invited to CAM update? It's obvious that when they started teasing us with the FSD button Tesla did not know yet we needed to upgrade cameras. It's pretty obvious to me since they told me...

This might sound stupid but WHY are they letting you opt in the Safety Score if you have not even been invited to CAM update? It's obvious that when they started teasing us with the FSD button Tesla did not know we needed to upgrade cameras. It's pretty obvious to me since they told me that...

So i was paying $99 a month till last month to access FSD on my '17 X75D... First they made me pay $2k for MCU2/HW3 upgrade which I thought was a good "deal" as otherwise I was stuck on 2020.x software. Then they teased me with the FSD beta button and made me go to Safety Score Hell No they...

Sorry for confusion but I clearly stated that is was SUSBCRIBING to FSD hence will not be getting CAM upgrades....why are they taking my money if I can't even run FSD? Why are they making me run through Safety Score as well!

Is a physical Horizontal Screen update next? I dove model Y with it and I could not get used to it; might have been lack of Center display that bothered me the most.

I am wondering how much the Camera upgrade will be? I too go suckered into MCU2/HW3 and started to pay for FSD subscription just to figure out I got nothing new in terms of features except dashcam. what's next/ horizontal screen upgrade/

While I understand that some a the missing features might be related to Vertical vs Horizontal screens these two features: - Sentry Live Mode Camera View - Automatic Seat Heaters Are features that are more related to the App on phone. So I fail to see what we are missing in our legacy cars. I...

Isn't the legacy S/X 99% of all S/X ever delivered?

At least something launched on Christmas Day and it's not a SpaceX rocket https://www.space.com/nasa-james-webb-space-telescope-launch-success

No other car manufacturer charged $5k 5 years ago for yet to be delivered software. At least on EAP Tesla delivered quickly; however I have not seen any upgrades for it in a long time; probably because it woks fine. As for FSD in my case I subscribed two months ago and had to first upgrade to...

I think you need MCU2 upgrade to get into 2021 updates! At least that's what I had to do.

Question: So most "$10k FSD" adopters here can only claim that they are out $5k since they at least got EAP delivered back in 2017 (I did although it was called AutoPilot then) Are they people who'd be out more than that?

I thought the camera upgrade is now based on VIN# not whether opted in FSD or Safety Score. As soon as I see momentum on upgrades I might re-subscribe to FSD just out curiosity on how much they are going to charge me for cameras after they just charged me for HW3 computer. Or I'll wait until...

I have 2021.40.6 software; does not mean I could get into Beta now? Note I cancelled my subscription so hard to see if it is relevant to this discussion. Still missing features like sentry cam viewer. So I am not sure we can just imply based on software version? I

So I subscribed for a month (from EAP) and quickly realized I was just paying for stop lights over what I had with EAP (works great for me). Are we saying that not much progress is being made to production "FSD" over the last year or are they coming up with some features once a while?

I am confused here...no X and S had that camera till 2021; right? So that would be more than just early adopters. I am pretty sure there are 2.5 X and S with FSD beta.

I am on 2021.40.6 (I canceled subscription 10 days ago) Still missing features like Sentry Cam view in App which was supposed to be available a few updates back on cars.. maybe related to older cameras too (I have MCU2/HW3)?

correct and none of the X/S (i.e. early adopters) had them before 2021 so I was wondering statement that this might be another factor preventing to get into Beta FSD.

Out of curiosity why are we not getting the camera that monitors the driver?

Why did you not get the MCU1 eMMC recall done yet? I know I debated having mine done but then they did MCU2/HW3 upgrade for reasonable ($2000) I did that instead.

Amazing that they are taking my subscription money and let me play with the FSD beta queue and I get nothing "useful" out of it (oh I get the visualization!) IMHO they should not take the subscription money; at least when I subscribed first they were clear I had to pay/get HW3 first which is...

Ok so from what I can digest here: FSD will end up requiring MCU2 AND new Cameras when all said and done. It's not obvious to some people on this thread as some claim MCU1 is good enough; and it seems like new cameras are needed. Not to stir things up but I paid for HW3/MCU2 because when I...

nice! Do camera wirings (new or old) go to HW2/3 or MCU1/2 or both...I'm a hardware type of guy.

Are you saying MCU2 and HW3 upgrades (from AP2.0) ? For sure we all are getting "the button" but not access! Any MCU1/HW3 even getting the button?

I have the 36.5.5 (right after 36.5.1) and that was the first time I got "the button"

I have HW3 ( I paid for it!) I also paid for MCU2 but "unrelated" to FSD And yes I got on the FSD queue as part of subscription (currently being tested for safety) ! I know of people who are running Beta FSD as part of subscription.

So I press the subscribe button and they make me buy the FSD HW3 hardware which I pay for Then I pay 99 to find out that I can't get FSD beta due to cameras Then you tell me I might need to pay for cameras now. That is not sitting well but again at least I did not pay $5000 in 2017 for this.

understood...so subscription to FSD will require further costs to install cameras (as was case for HW3)?

I glad that I only paid $99 for a month FSD subscription. took 2 weeks to get FSD button. By the time I get done with the safety ratings I'll be out of subscription (no desire to renew) My only concern now is that they'll charge me for the new cameras (although I paid for MCU3 and HW3...

That was 2 years ago!

I had EAP so I paid $2000 for MCU2 but that included HW3 (I never paid the 5k for FSD) ... I thought it was a "bargain" at the time. Now I paid 99$ for a month to subscribe to FSD and I feel that unlike you guys who paid for real FSD they will make me pay for camera upgrade (if they even come...

Will be interesting to see if they charge me for cameras as I paid for EAP then MCU2 upgrade (which included HW3) but subscribed to FSD (99/mo) rather than pay $5000 for FSD

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/fsd%E2%80%99s-earliest-adopters-find-themselves-again-deprioritized-and-forgotten.243556/page-19#post-6044139 I would suggest (Or at least Elon seems to)

Looks like we will need new cameras before we get the FSD button...I just spent 2000 on MCU2/HW3 upgrade and then subscribed for FSD just to figure that limitation.

So I am glad I only spent $99 to find out my newly updated hardware can't get Beta FSD (not even the famous button) Question: IF they upgrade the cameras will we get the Dashcam Viewing (the one where we get 360 view) function to work? Another of these missing features we were promised and...

Not to barge back in this thread but my '17 X75D 's rated range has been slowly creeping up from 202 to 211 (new was 237). I upgraded MCU and to HW3 which caused a lot of new upgrades (was stuck at 2020.48 before)

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Ok I am NOT on Tesla Vision! Strange but a lot of things happened, HW3 and MCU2 upgrade and then lots of updates so these "regressions" might not be related to subscribing to FSD after all....maybe I was so excited about it that I put too much pressure/expectation on the system

Guys: to clarify the "regression" I have had the car AutoSteer these curves 1000's of times flawlessly before I subscribed! No new uploads just Tesla getting my 99$ and switching me to "FSD" Give me a few hours and I'll try to check the Autosteer limit.

I think all I got is Traffic light/stop sign stuff. NoA on City Streets. no FSD beta button yet! Why did I even bother paying $99 for ? Thanks! that's what I suspected. It's basically crossing the double yellow lines on sharp turns (25mph) ....just like EAP was 4 years ago