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Update: These superchargers are completely ripped out. Tesla map shows this as a "temporary closure". I was down here last weekend actually using the chargepoint L2's with my Rivian while we took the light rail in to see a baseball game - those units are right next to where the supercharger was...

I've never even considered going that way...Google maps has it at 5 hr 44 min for that route, 20 min longer than the Gallup route. I'd say less time charging in Bluff, except that the charger there will only output 200A, so good for about 65kW on the Tesla and 75kW on the slightly higher voltage...

Oh man...cautiously optimistic here. I put down a deposit on our first Model S in 2014 after the "D" announcement and the appearance of this charging station as "coming soon". Flagstaff to Durango is a major route for us. We now have a Model 3 and a Rivian R1S. I've resigned myself to adding an...

I thought I had it priced fairly, and did get asking price. Contact came in through a Craigslist ad. Buyer drove a one-way rental all the way from north of Fresno.

Car has been sold. Thanks!

Location: Flagstaff, AZ. Mileage: 92,600. I am the original owner of this 2015 Tesla Model S 85D. It was delivered at the end of March 2015. The battery / drivetrain warranty is therefore good through the end of March 2023 (unlimited miles). The car has premium connectivity and free...

I just used this charger in Pagosa on the way back to Flagstaff from Keystone, CO. It's in a nice spot and we were able to eat lunch on the patio of a nearby restaurant while we charged to >90%. We went to Keystone the weekend before by going across the Navajo Nation with Blanding as our first...

The taper he is reporting as having been the original taper of his battery pack is now approximately the taper of all 85s as I have understood it, past the point where we drop below 90kW. Chargegate has reduced all 85s to an "A" battery profile (past about 25 - 30% SOC), and has further limited...

I think your and SmartElectric's definition of a "chargegate" profile are significantly different. My understanding and application of that term is that "chargegate" happened to every Tesla vehicle, or at least every Model S/X (...maybe every post original 85kWh version A pack if SmartElectric...

From what I understand, that seems to be the case (about 10% slower speeds above 50% SOC). However, he's reporting something more drastic - never even reaching the previously attainable 118kW, much less the new upper limit of 150kW.

They told him a limit of 2500 kWh of charging before the SuC rate is capped? This is only roughly 8000 miles of driving. If this were a cap for all 100kWh cars, I would think we would be seeing a lot more rate capped 100s at this point. 50K miles total on the odometer with 25K miles of...

There can be some incredible headwinds on this route. My family and I visited some friends up in Santa Fe last year and did some skiing. I had the skis on the roof (first and last time I'll be doing that on a road trip). We charged to about 235 mi of range in Albuquerque. I ended up rolling in...

Definitely agree on this. Kayenta has been on the "coming soon" map I think since I bought the car in 2015. Since I regularly travel between my home in Flagstaff and Durango, this "coming soon" dot made me feel a lot better about having plunked down a reservation on an 85D (reserved in October...

Not at all. My post was meant to offer a possible explanation about what the issue might actually be. Whatever the underlying issue actually is, it does not excuse Tesla's behavior in stonewalling owners, telling them that their batteries are just fine, and not giving any explanation and no...

I'm going to answer this as if it were a serious question and not internet snippiness, and I'm going to reframe slightly as "What does it matter what the nature of condition Z is?" This matters because it has implications for what the eventual remedy might be, the outcome of the litigation, and...

Essentially. It could very well be another input to the control system - temperature seemed the most obvious. “Bad” could also be overshooting in Tesla’s eyes - it may be that the sensors are still within what they’ve determined to be the specification. Hence the response that everything is...

I've got a bit of a theory (theory in the commonly used sense of a wild guess, not a scientific theory) as to what condition Z might be related to. I'm not sure if this has been covered here to date... What if condition Z is not a hither-to-unknown battery defect, but instead a failure of the...

Had you supercharged to 100% pre-June? Previously 80 to 100% was about 40 min, which was right in line with Tesla’s marketing. It would appear the new excruciatingly slow 90 to 100% may affect all cars, not just S 85/80/60s. I guess if you consider this the new normal...then it’s normal...

Sounds about right. I'm also around SOC + kW = 110 to 115 through the "meat" of the charge curve. At 50% I'm hitting about 60 kW now vs 75 kW previously. I've charged in everything from about 55F to 115F ambient temp since chargegate hit and get about the same. Hopefully winter weather doesn't...

So after chargegate (affected, like all 85s) and batterygate (unaffected), I've been looking at TMC for feedback on each software version prior to installing. I got the notification for an install (I believe) Tuesday night, then another notice Wednesday. I've ignored them and not yet installed...

Well, OK... EPA rated consumption from the battery pack. ie, the number that the computer divides the total available energy in the battery pack (not including the anti-bricking buffer at the bottom) by to determine the rated range available. Is that better?

I'm confused...are we saying anything different here?

No - the wh/mi shown in that case is 287 wh/mi for my 85D. Presumably it would be a bit higher for an 85 - 295 wh/mi from what I’ve read. The 380 wh/mi value (it’s 340 wh/mi for the 85D) reported on the sticker is consumption from the wall and includes charging losses.

Yes, that's correct. Projected takes into account then energy consumption over the last 5, 15, or 30 miles, depending on what you have selected. When projected range = rated range, the wh/mi shown = the EPA rated consumption of the car.

I saw this thread a little while back this seemed like a very convoluted explanation of what was going on to me. I don't think there's anything nefarious going on here in terms of including and then not including the anti-bricking buffer at the bottom of the pack capacity. I too have noticed...

My interpretation would be that the "Affected packs with range loss/charge cap/etc" are those they have had the capping fix applied. This capping eliminates the safety issue (whether that is fire, explosion, somehow causing weather phenomena, whatever that may be). It would be a safety issue if...

Thank you for the incredibly informative first post! If I'm understanding this correctly, while this is certainly a failure mode that is well understood in all Li-ion cells, there seems to be some cells that are affected at certain conditions (ie, temp, charge rate, charge state and time at...

2015 85D here - with the latest update (2019.20.4.2) I’ve seen a max charge rate of 124 kW, up from a max previously of 118kW. However...the earlier taper you described is kicking in for me as well. Above 20% SOC, I’m seeing about 10 - 15kW less power than previously. This seems to be across...

So my car was towed down to the Scottsdale service center about 140 miles away...all the same symptoms as the OP. March 2015 85D. They just called me a couple hours ago and told me I had a corroded ground bolt. Complete coincidence that I just happened to see this thread now. Maybe they haven't...