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Refresh Model S LR doesn't actually have "only" 670HP - more like 750HP, and it weighs about the same as the Ioniq5N...

Clarified....

Gauntlet officially thrown: 0-60 mph: 3.0 seconds 1/4 mile: 11.1 @ 123 mph Car & Driver Hyundai Ioniq5N instrumented test... Considering that the current Model 3 Performance already matches or beats many of the new Ioniq5N's performance bogeys it's easy to be optimistic about the refreshed...

Exactly - when/if actual testing demonstrates a performance difference, THEN I could understand being miffed. In the meantime, it's just useless speculation, IMO.

When I was tracking my car multiple times a year, I had track tires. Not worth it to me now that I only do an event or two a year. And I absolutely understand what I give up when I run my car on UHP summer tires on the track. But hey, please find more ways to be offended - super useful way...

All the engine power, suspension tuning and brakes in the world can’t show their best without tires that allow the car to perform its best. All tires are a compromise of some type, but when maximum street performance is the goal for any high-performance vehicle, the OEM tires are usually UHP...

So much b*tching about something that hasn’t been shown to affect anything in the real world. Seems a bit premature at best, and a waste of time and energy to boot… 🤷‍♂️

Yep, and the video also proves my overarching point that all-seasons are a performance compromise. They're outperformed by the summer tires in all but one non-winter test, plus feel the best to drive, and they're outperformed by the dedicated winter tires and the all-weather tires in all the...

Here you go - tells you everything you need to know:

The fact that you’re taking comments completely out of context to try to prove your point says it all. Get a grip, dude.

On my wife’s SUV, which isn’t my car. Literal LOL - try again, dude! (speaking of refusing to give up)

The entire context of that test shows a clear performance advantage for the PS4S, ironically. But keep digging!

And in the test I quoted the difference in wet and dry braking was big - like 10%, and that was only from about 50mph. The difference would likely be greater from higher speeds Please tell us how worse braking is a compromise worth making?

It’s long been clear that all you really want to do is argue, so we’ll leave it at that. Meantime, please be sure not to drive anywhere near me in case you can’t stop in time to avoid a $15K accident because you saved $700 on tires.

Please link us to test results showing that Performance all-season tires match or beat the performance (acceleration, cornering grip, braking) of UHP summer tires in anything other than snow. The non-existence of such test results demonstrate the performance compromise that all season tires...

Right, and I’d never argue that a high performance sedan isn’t a performance compromise compared to those - it is, plain and simple, and nobody would suggest that the sedan would keep up with a GTRS or go off-road like a Defender, because it won’t!

When anyone is ready to discuss or try to refute my original point, which is that all season tires are a performance compromise, I’m happy to continue. Instead though, people have argued about things I never said, or what they thought I meant or said. That’s what’s hilarious and sad at the...

Conveniently ignoring steering feel and ultimate traction at all times - LOL - okay. Why buy the Performance version of the car if none of that is important? Why do mfrs equip their highest-performance cars with UHP summer tires and not all-seasons?

Try again.

That isn’t what I said at all. I said all-season tires are a performance compromise - because they are. I never said “don’t do that”, nor did I suggest anything else about what others should do.

For the 2-4 track days I do per year, yep, those days I’m compromising performance. The other 99.4% of my driving time I’m not. All seasons are a performance compromise 100% of the time.

Agreed, which is why I said: “…compromise the performance of your car…”

I’m Agreed, which is why I said: “… compromise the performance of your car…”

Agreed, since all I’ve ever said is for people to do what works for them!

There’s no compromise when running the right tire for the conditions. In my case, that’s UHP Summer tires in summer and Performance Winter tires in winter. But again, do whatever works for you - just don’t suggest that all-seasons are best for anything - they’re a compromise regardless of the...

And I’ve never said anything other than that all seasons are a compromise, and that people can do what they want, including me. They are a compromise - this isn’t an opinion, it’s a fact. Run what you like, but don’t pretend that UHP all seasons are anything but a compromise.

Yep, running all-season tires is definitely easy. I prefer the responsiveness and obvious, demonstrable performance advantage of UHP summer tires in summer: If you don’t care about shorter braking distances, more lateral grip and better aquaplaning resistance, that’s fine. I do.

Choosing to hamstring the performance of your car in all conditions by running all season tires is your prerogative. I choose not to do this. 🤷‍♂️

The PS4 A/S is so loud that whatever other benefits it offers are irrelevant to me. Better all-seasons are still "no-seasons" compared to a winter/summer setup, and I do sometimes track my car... in summer. ;-)

"All-Season Tires" are "No-Season Tires" the way I look at it. Compromised regardless of temperatures/conditions. I've runner/summer/winter setups on my AWD cars for more than 20 years, and the performance and peace of mind is well worth the minor inconvenience, IMHO. YMMV.

20" x 9" ET35 American Racing AR924: Brand American Racing Product Name AR924 CROSSFIRE Part Number AR92429012935 Finish GRAPHITE Material Flow Formed Aluminum Size 20X9 Bolt Pattern 5X114.3 Backspace 6.38 Offset 35mm Bore 72.56 Weight 23.15 lbs Load 1400 Lip Size 0.00

Anyone know whether 275/30/20 tires will fit on all four corners of an M3P?

That’s a bit hyperbolic. As long as there’s no snow on the ground and the temperature is above freezing you’d be fine.

I definitely prefer the seating position and overall visibility in the 3 vs. the S. And you're not wrong with regards to passenger space, though cargo space goes to the S with the hatchback and huge cargo area. Ideally, a 3P with close-to-Plaid power would be perfect for me. 🤷‍♂️

I haven't personally experienced the tire, but "my guy" at Discount Tire HQ in AZ says they're great, even in comparison to Michelin PS4S...

I expect that your search engine works just as well as mine, but: https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-lowers-range-estimates-us-regulators-tighten-vehicle-test-rules-2024-01-09/#:~:text=Some%20of%20Tesla's%20downward%20revisions,version%20of%20the%20luxury%20SUV.

Because Tesla recently changed the way they calculate their EPA range. Should more closely align with reality going forward…

Tesla's Model 3 web order page mentions a 163 mph top speed, which is exactly 1 mph faster than the previous version.

??? 😉

I'm presuming this is sarcasm, since the current M3P also has a 162 mph top speed.... I mean, it's not bad, but it's no actual improvement. Also, no EV is likely to have any sort of top-speed bragging rights for quite some time, if ever...

I hafta say that the LAST thing I’d like to see is any sort of special, must-be-activated “Launch Mode”. One of my favorite aspects of the Model 3 Peformance is that full power is available nearly all the time. Simply modifying the motor control software to enable a quicker ramp to full power...

Nice - enjoy!

I just saw a Model 3 Highland Performance in semi-camo on the street in LaQuinta, CA! The wheels and red calipers were clearly visible, as was the diffuser. Had camo on the rear quarter panels and trunk/bumper, plus some on the front bumper, but none on the doors or hood. Unfortunately, it...

It that were him, he'd have bough a NEW Plaid, right, and he wouldn't have complained about the huge loss he took??

Nice that financial concerns aren't a thing for you... :rolleyes:

I gotta say, I'm expecting it to be tough for me to decide between a new 3P and a used Plaid...

Thank you for proving my point. (creating races so that the V-8 RWD doesn't lose). Would you like to compare dig/drag race results? I start from stoplights multiple times every day. The last time I was over 120 mph on the street was literally MONTHS ago.

The M3P is quicker to every increment up to 120 mph, and well past 1/4 mile unless the race begins at >70 mph. I'll take that every day and twice on Sunday, regardless of what happens above 125 mph...

Hey, if you have verified test results that refute the 60-120 mph claim I made, please by all means post them. Even funnier, even if the race were 1/2 mile from a dig, the Mustang never catches the M3P.

Look again - it’s 60mph to 1/2 mile, and the M3P is ahead for most of the run.