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Lots of upload after 12.3.6 curbing when making a right turn at a stop sign: (Although I wouldn't trust Google Home/WiFi usage numbers from the current day… but previous timeframes are more what I would expect for FSD uploads: 7 days with 534GB and 30 days with 1478GB.)

I would think this is purely a UI heuristic for the driver as the map/navigation data can know about the lanes from the very beginning even before a destination is set. I've even noticed inconsistency in the UI where center screen shows lane hints when it's strictly less than 0.5mi (i.e., UI...

It's possible. Here's an example of someone who was on 2024.2.7 and cleared the pending install of 2024.8.4 via service menu then 2 days later received 2024.3.10 instead to get 12.3.3.

The localized data is much more reasonable to look at in the context of FSD. Even though most vehicles using TeslaFi are from US/Canada, they're behind Germany and UK when looking at 2024.8.9 vehicle counts by country. While the current 4,954 total count / 24.8% of fleet is worldwide, focusing...

Looks like 2024.14.7 is starting to roll out wider primarily going to those already on 2024.14.6, so that makes it seem like there was some urgent bug to fix for those already on that version and why the update was proactively pulled from vehicles that had 2024.14.6 pending...

Or the opposite behavior of staying on an older version such as earlier this year with 2024.2.x "missing" the update to 2024.8.x which had the fortunate behavior of allowing updates to 2024.3.x instead of waiting for 2024.14.x to get FSD 12.3.x. Although Elon Musk suggests this split in...

Seems like the tech is wrong in that there are MCU1 vehicles with FSD Beta 10.x and that the Infotainment Upgrade should be $1,750 now that you have AP3 computer. There is a slight hope that the slow visualizations is not as big of an issue with FSD Supervised 12.x given that people have...

Based on those who use TeslaFi service, there's around 80 S/X Refresh in the US on 2024.14.6 and 1 on 2024.14.7, which only started rolling out today. Perhaps you haven't gotten any 12.x yet because Tesla determined there was some issue with 12.3.6 from the previous rollout when updating it to...

The initial rollout of 12.x to the public was special in that it was by state probably to be extra cautious with the new architecture. It started with California then some states like North/South Carolina and Texas. Potentially it'll go back to 10.x/11.x rollout behavior without the state...

Interesting that TeslaInfo has not detected 2024.9.5 as it usually had 2 employee vehicles getting internal deployments of early 12.x. Tesla 2024.9.5 Release Notes Tessie software tracker did detect this version presumably on 1 vehicle to get the release notes 2024.9.5 Release Notes & Statistics

Oh interesting, thanks. I must have seen too many HW1 threads about MCU2 upgrade. (I suppose this is why the infortainment upgrade is discounted for those already with HW3.)

Could be HW3 computer was installed as part of MCU2 upgrade (not usual). You can check your current Autopilot Computer from the vehicle Software screen. Does it say Full self-driving computer?

What sites are you checking and where are you looking? Both TeslaFi and Teslascope show quite a few S/X Refresh/Plaid with HW3 in US/Canada getting 2024.14.6 / 12.3.6.

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/posts/7303764/ https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/posts/7719406/ https://www.instagram.com/debossmotors/p/C5XDrGNPFCN/?img_index=10 Since 2022.8.10.10, there's been 2022.8.10.15 and 2022.8.10.20 (includes Telltale Text Size recall).

You have HW2.5, and Tesla's support page says the upgrade should be $1000 for those who did not purchase FSD Capability. Not sure what that $2k+ price is for, but indeed it seems likely the free trial will only be for HW3+.

This article Watch Tesla FSD Save the Day in Moldova, It Should Work Perfectly on European Roads - autoevolution says it's a US salvage Model Y brought to Moldova and also used FSD 12.x in Romania too.

Tesla's usage of intervention seems to include braking and steering and not necessarily how we use it here to focus on accelerator, turn signal, etc. (…although confusingly/consistently, our "intervention" usage doesn't result in "Autopilot Disengaged. What Happened?" voice note message.) E.g...

Depends on the highway. Interstates are likely 11.x, but US101 sometimes has at-grade crossings that is treated as city streets so 12.x. If you have Automatic Set Speed Offset enabled, check for "AUTO" to confirm it's 12.x as it'll switch to numeric set speed with 11.x. Additionally, 11.x will...

Yeah, curious if Tesla treats parking lots separately similar to how highways seem to have been intentionally separate as the 12.x behaviors so far for both those situations do seem worse than regular city streets, e.g., wrong turns inside/out-of parking lots and speed/lane control at higher...

What vehicle software version are you on? You might be able to enter "service" mode from the Controls > Software screen then view each camera type by tapping each dot. Old HW2 cameras are RCCC while newer HW2.5/3 are RCCB.

5x-10x miles per intervention improvement from 12.3 to 12.4 with a similar "major" improvement going to 12.5? I wonder what the improvement was from 11.x to 12.x so far although that's a bit mixed with 11.x having a lot more highway miles and 12.5 theoretically restoring that functionality (as...

TeslaFi is showing 12.3.6 is newly going to vehicles outside of US/Canada as part of 2024.14.6. Tesla should be able to better evaluate how 12.x might behave in other countries with the end-to-end neural networks already available in vehicles. Potentially people will be able to see if there's...

You have a good model to get 2024.14.x as so far those versions have only gone to AMD / MCU3. For the vehicles that use TeslaFi service, so far there's been 8 S/X all 2023 that have installed 2024.14.6 whereas there's still 156 S/X Refresh/Plaid in the US waiting on 2024.8.9. So roughly it's a...

You should verify what infotainment / MCU you currently have (Software -> Additional Vehicle Information) as that will significantly impact how soon you might get FSD. Model S/X switched from Nvidia / MCU1 to Intel / MCU2 March 2018, and very few vehicles with MCU1 have gotten FSD Beta 10.69...

Did Tesla specifically focus on improving 12.x hand signals or it comes from general improvement from 12.3 disengagements? If more of the latter, should we expect some questionable corner case 12.3 behaviors to have big improvements in 12.4?

Do people's app show FSD Supervised version? Maybe my app is outdated or the vehicle needs to be on a version newer than 2024.3.25?

Yeah, people got a 1 month trial starting from receiving a version with 12.x. TeslaInfo release notes for 2024.14.5 includes FSD Supervised 12.3.6, so those on 2024.8.x should be able to get that when it's rolling out.

TeslaInfo release notes for 2024.14.5 from a Model S indicates it has 12.3.6. Whereas the notes for same version but Model Y built in Berlin shows it's getting Tesla Vision Park Assist (for those with USS). The former is a US vehicle while the latter is in DE, so hopefully good news worldwide...

I would guess 12.4 is fine-tuning from 12.3 failures whereas 12.3 was mostly refining from 11.x failures, and these earlier 12.0-12.4 were built on some base foundation understanding that needed to go through various iterations of training and fixing regressions before a new version like 12.4 is...

Those notes and example are probably from Intel Model 3/Y. So far the new Autopark with 12.3.6 is only available for landscape screen vehicles (including new S/X where Autopark visualization shows in the instrument panel). Hopefully legacy S/X with HW3 will get this soon. Perhaps the separate...

TeslaFi shows a bump of around 500 more vehicles pending 2024.3.25 primarily adding S/X. Anybody with vertical screen newly getting 12.3.6? Do the release notes include Autopark? Yesterday's rollout only went to about 50 legacy S/X.

Tesla could maybe downgrade those on 2024.3.x with FSD Supervised 12.x back to FSD Beta 11.4.9 on say 2024.8.x, but it would probably be disappointing or even dangerous for those who do end up subscribing expecting what they experienced during the trial. Tesla seems to avoid this reverting...

Looks like people should be able to manually check for updates using the in-vehicle Software screen to get 2024.3.25 / 12.3.6 now including USS-less or legacy S/X. Presumably these vehicles previously excluded from the rollout have release notes only mentioning 12.3.6 without Autopark or Park...

Both HW4 X and USS/MCU2 Y received 2024.3.20 / 12.3.5 last night after manually checking for updates from the Software screen. I would expect the Model Y to get 12.3.6 soon given the current rollout pattern. Both 12.3.5 and 12.3.6 might be in a "pull" update mode (TeslaFi shows pending/installed...

Are you thinking about supervised learning? Something like a classification task of "car" vs "bus" even positive examples of a "car" implicitly means it's "not a bus" resulting in the neural network training process to boost signals towards "car" and away from "bus." Some might even say this...

Ashok Elluswamy seems to say these disengagements are used in training (presumably both as negative examples of what not to do as well as positive examples of the correction) at the 2024 Q1 earnings call: Any failures like Elon alluded to, we get the data back, add it to the training and that...

Here's an example 2019 Model 3 USS/Intel/HW3 using Autopark with 12.3.6: Looks like the visualization doesn't show USS colored distance arcs when Autopark is active. The new Autopark without Vision Park Assist / high-fidelity 3D visualization shows the flat / 2D representation of adjacent...

TeslaInfo API fetched 2024.3.25 release notes keep updating, and it now shows those from a 2021 Model S newly including an entry for "Tesla Vision Park Assist" (in addition to "Autopark Update"). Tesla Vision Park Assist You can now choose to enable Tesla Vision Park Assist. It displays a...

In the 3 example of "Street" Roadway Type, potentially the Tesla driver was under the influence of drugs, did not see high speed red-light runner, did not expect oncoming car to head-on. There's one more non-Highway incident report labeled "Intersection" in Brooklyn, NY...

TeslaFi interface isn't great. Scroll down and you'll see 87 vehicles pending this new version. Teslascope shows vehicles are currently coming mostly from 2024.3.15 / 12.3.4 (about ⅔) and rest from 2024.3.20 / 12.3.5. Hopefully someone who has access to release notes from the app/car will report...

If these TeslaInfo 2024.3.25 release notes from a 2021 Model Y are accurate, looks like the new Vision Autopark is coming to vehicles with USS as part of 12.3.6? Perhaps 12.3.5 was evaluating it and didn't need a wide rollout while 12.3.6 turns it on? 2024.3.25: Autopark Update When you're...

What makes you think it's a FSD Beta at-fault crash? Is it because if not, it would be "Other Vehicle Fault?" Here's the entries for Tesla with Fatality from August 2022 to August 2023 from the Standing General Order ADAS data: Unclear if these 12 include the 1 "FSD-Beta Crash" of 14...

Wow! So impressed by 12.3.4 on a local highway 55 mph signaling to cross double yellow lines just like two vehicles in front of us to go around a slow moving construction vehicle after oncoming traffic cleared. Very smooth without any hesitation. Back to driving.

I wonder why not call 12.4 as the next version 13? I don't think anything has been assigned for number 13 yet (unlike single stack 11.x that led to odd 10.69-type versioning), so I guess it's to give a hint that it's still fundamentally the same 12.x end-to-end architecture? What should be the...

I wonder what happened to the "IRA" 1908800-00-A? All 4 were labeled 1450758-00-H. Don't seem to be energized with lights off, and release button didn't work, but seems like touchscreen to unlock charge port eventually got it unlatched after various warnings showed up. Stall lines (perpendicular...

Yeah, given that the path visualization can change every frame but seems to have around 11 frame / 0.35s delay, it'll be interesting if people notice this affecting other behaviors of 12.x? For example, is the decision wobble of making a lane change or getting into a turn lane somewhat caused by...

Why do you think there's an A and B for other things like Infotainment? Why do you think the size reported would need to change for Autopilot behavior changes? Why do you think one bank is selected over the other? It seems like these are separate storage for handling updates so that it can...

Sorry poor wording on my part. The left screenshot shows a dark black line at the end of the blue path indicating FSD was planning to stop probably because the light was red. But indeed the acceleration was always positive as it was still pulling up to its stop line, and before it got there, it...

As in why did it not continue to make a full stop when it was still showing red? There's been other cases where 12.x treats stops as yields, but it was stopping initially and continued with the green (with the incorrect belief that the pedestrian would continue to stay still): This could be...

Neural networks learn things in different ways, and it's not surprising for 12.x to have misunderstood the behavior. End-to-end has needed to learn to make a turn on green… except yield when there's a pedestrian… except continue if the pedestrian hasn't moved for a while… except if the walk...