Highland Efficiency

[Js1977]

Apropos of nothing but the reason for the superfluous padding is purely to game the YouTube monetisation algorithm, which "prefers" long form videos.

I suppose it viewing time as a whole for the video that bumps up the algorithm. I'll admit to be naughty and sometimes skip parts or to the end part way if im getting a bit bored. No wonder most tend to keep it to the 10 minute mark ... At least there is a choice.

 

[Doudeau]

that would have made it a worthwhile contribution.

I’d have said that, in a thread talking about highland efficiency, sharing a link to a video (with the link taking you to the pertinent section) talking about highland efficiency is a worthwhile contribution to the thread even without typing out some of the key data points.

 

[Js1977]

and pretty much what we all knew based on prior cars,

But you are just assuming we are all some sort of elite here. Some of us dont such as me and any new people coming here but Im curious and do enjoy the gathering knowledge because every day is a school day as far as im concerned.

if you think it’s high quality then that’s your choice

I really do not understand your stance to be honest

 

[Jwdrums]

I'm not sure the line between moderation and personal opinion is very clear when it comes to RSEV

 

[rincewind]

it’s a shame the poster couldn’t have offered that as part of the post and that would have made it a worthwhile contribution.

I left it for individuals to draw their own conclusions,didn't want to offer any explanations as to the why's and wherefores. I think by now most of us are aware of the Highland design differences.

 

[Js1977]

I left it for individuals to draw their own conclusions,didn't want to offer any explanations as to the why's and wherefores. I think by now most of us are aware of the Highland design differences.

No explanation required. Thanks for the post

 

[FastLaneJB]

The comparisons and normally good but there have been many technical inaccuracies in their videos. They, as with many YouTube videos, seem to be twice as long as they need to be to cover the topic and draw a conclusion.

Right but I believe they need to hit about 10 minutes or so for additional advertising revenue. So don’t blame them for that, YouTube pushes them to have longer videos plus to try to keep you on it longer before you flick off.

If you don’t like it you can skip the end where normally the conclusion is or just don’t watch YouTube. Just don’t think it’s fair to hate on them trying to make money from what is effort on their part to make these videos and do these tests.

 

[WannabeOwner]

I’d have said that, in a thread talking about highland efficiency, sharing a link to a video (with the link taking you to the pertinent section) talking about highland efficiency is a worthwhile contribution to the thread even without typing out some of the key data points.

Don't know if was your thread, or a different poster, but I skipped the video on "another long format video" assumption.

Then separately in the thread later there was a point made about the link being direct to the salient point (which was not apparent or I had not realised in the original post)

I'm with @GeorgeSymonds on this. I don't know how the young cope with wading through waffle to get to the meat, my time is more previous to me (and I'd prefer to get my e.g. dietary advice from someone skilled-in-the-art and not a TikTok'r with a billion views, esp. given how easily e.g. Dr Michael Mosley debunks the TikTok'r "science").

YouTubers that I respect, and watch (i.e. the ones I watch more-often-then-not) do shorter form videos when the occasion calls for it, no need for every video to be padded out to 10+ minutes "for the algorithm"; it does no harm to appreciate your audience

 

[Js1977]

I don't know how the young cope with wading through waffle to get to the meat,

Have you seen the size of some of your posts??

 

[Doudeau]

Don't know if was your thread, or a different poster, but I skipped the video on "another long format video" assumption.

It wasn’t mine - you obviously don’t have the attention span to check that even.

Posting a link to a video about highland efficiency is much more relevant than you and others commenting about the length of a YouTube video. And more relevant than me replying to you talking about it too .

 

[FastLaneJB]

I'm with @GeorgeSymonds on this. I don't know how the young cope with wading through waffle to get to the meat, my time is more previous to me

Are you not married? It’s a skill you have to learn in my experience

 

[WannabeOwner]

you obviously don’t have the attention span to check that even

I was making a general point

 

[fronesis]

I wasn’t sure whether to start a new thread or post here. I’m in the states (though I used to live in the UK), but I figured highland efficiency numbers were still relevant.

Got my car in March. Had about 600 miles on it when I set out today. Had gotten some good numbers (under 210 Wh/m) previously, but that was in fairly cold temperatures.

Today it was 72F, and as you can see I got great numbers. This was mostly highway driving, but usually at under 70mph. But it included a lot of elevation gain and descent, and a couple of times passing on two lane roads, accelerating up to 90mph. Also, I did the first 50-60 miles with FSD on. I actually turned it off to drive the twisty roads near the top of the mountain pass myself.

 

[FastLaneJB]

I wasn’t sure whether to start a new thread or post here. I’m in the states (though I used to live in the UK), but I figured highland efficiency numbers were still relevant.

Got my car in March. Had about 600 miles on it when I set out today. Had gotten some good numbers (under 210 Wh/m) previously, but that was in fairly cold temperatures.

Today it was 72F, and as you can see I got great numbers. This was mostly highway driving, but usually at under 70mph. But it included a lot of elevation gain and descent, and a couple of times passing on two lane roads, accelerating up to 90mph. Also, I did the first 50-60 miles with FSD on. I actually turned it off to drive the twisty roads near the top of the mountain pass myself.

Is that a RWD or LR? Very impressive numbers.

I’ve seen one video recently, was about an ICE car but was a German reviewer in the US and he mentioned how he was getting better fuel economy than he’d get in Germany by quite a bit. He said down to lower speed limits (Even when you ignore the autobahn) and also less slow down and accelerate you have to do in Europe. It’s just easily to maintain that relative slow pace in the US due to the roads. I’m sure large busy cities not included.

 

[fronesis]

Is that a RWD or LR? Very impressive numbers.

RWD

I’ve seen one video recently, was about an ICE car but was a German reviewer in the US and he mentioned how he was getting better fuel economy than he’d get in Germany by quite a bit. He said down to lower speed limits (Even when you ignore the autobahn) and also less slow down and accelerate you have to do in Europe. It’s just easily to maintain that relative slow pace in the US due to the roads. I’m sure large busy cities not included.

There’s definitely some truth to that, but it totally depends upon where you are in the states. A lot of places the speed limit may be 55 or 60, but in some states 75 is common – with a couple of instances of 80 or 85.

But what you say definitely applies to my trip yesterday: it was mostly highway, but 90% of it was a speed limit of 55 or lower. In the last 8-mile stretch I drove I had was going about 72mph and watched my Wh/m number tick upward.

 

[FastLaneJB]

RWD

There’s definitely some truth to that, but it totally depends upon where you are in the states. A lot of places the speed limit may be 55 or 60, but in some states 75 is common – with a couple of instances of 80 or 85.

But what you say definitely applies to my trip yesterday: it was mostly highway, but 90% of it was a speed limit of 55 or lower. In the last 8-mile stretch I drove I had was going about 72mph and watched my Wh/m number tick upward.

Makes sense and ultimately traffic and roadworks can slow us down a lot here in the UK also. Seen a video of Highland vs an older Model 3 LR and difference was pretty much consistently ~10Wh/m as they went in convoy so that reduced drag of the cars does make a difference.

Great car, think it's the most efficient one you can buy really maybe other than Lucid's and they don't sell those over here.

 

[bangtidy]

My LR is now at 226Wh/mile after 3500 miles since the beginning of March. I tend to drive pretty economically these days so that obviously helps but the car seems very frugal, quite a lot better than my previous M3P.

Now that the weather's warmed up a bit, it's usually around the 190 - 200Wh/mile without really trying.

 

[starharbour]

I've covered 3,300 miles in my M3 Highland LR and my stats as below

Energy used: 838 KWH
Overall efficiency: 255 wh/mi

That said, its over the colder months. I drove 105 miles this morning and achieved 203 wh/mi on a primarily motorway drive, going usually 70 mph, with an outside temperate of 17 degrees.

203 wh/mi is just under 5miles per kwh, which would put my range at close to 380 miles which is absolutely brilliant.

 

[FastLaneJB]

My LR is now at 226Wh/mile after 3500 miles since the beginning of March. I tend to drive pretty economically these days so that obviously helps but the car seems very frugal, quite a lot better than my previous M3P.

Now that the weather's warmed up a bit, it's usually around the 190 - 200Wh/mile without really trying.

That's good, trying to drive our M3P economically in this warmer weather I can get close to the 255Wh/mile you'd need for that car to hit it's EPA range but maybe just slightly over.

What did you used to get in your M3P for reference as that'll give a good idea of the difference? Also you on 18 or 19inch wheels? Left aero caps on if on 18's?

 

[rincewind]

That's good, trying to drive our M3P economically in this warmer weather I can get close to the 255Wh/mile you'd need for that car to hit it's EPA range but maybe just slightly over.

What did you used to get in your M3P for reference as that'll give a good idea of the difference? Also you on 18 or 19inch wheels? Left aero caps on if on 18's?

I have a 2019 M3P. Recent long drive at around 20 degrees, not going over 70 mph, I got 287 wh/mile. No heat pump and 20" wheels. Overall in 4.5 yeras and 50k miles it averages 319. I have a Highland LR on order, looking forward to getting noticaebly better range.