Supercharger - Lubbock, TX - University Ave (Target)

[Talmen]

TDLR filing for Supercharger in Lubbock at the Target on University Ave.

TDLR TABS - Project Details

www.tdlr.texas.gov

Not the one at the Toot'n Totum as I was expecting. Wonder if plans have changed for that since that Toot'n Totum was so delayed with construction... I guess Tesla has some sort of agreement with Target as I've seen several permits now at their stores.

 

[ItsNotAboutTheMoney]

It's like Tesla knows my 10 mile rule and just got close enough. This is I-27 and all 4 US Numbered Highways: US-62, US-82, US-84, US-87/

 

[Cigar Man]

Great location! I like this better than the one at Toot 'n Totum.

 

[theflyer]

TDLR filing for Supercharger in Lubbock at the Target on University Ave.

TDLR TABS - Project Details

www.tdlr.texas.gov

Not the one at the Toot'n Totum as I was expecting. Wonder if plans have changed for that since that Toot'n Totum was so delayed with construction... I guess Tesla has some sort of agreement with Target as I've seen several permits now at their stores.

There are a ton of superchargers at Targets.

 

[ItsNotAboutTheMoney]

It's like Tesla knows my 10 mile rule and just got close enough. This is I-27 and all 4 US Numbered Highways: US-62, US-82, US-84, US-87/

Well, OK, I'm not sure if it's officially on I-27 yet. OSM/Supercharge.info has the miles south of the Loop marked as I-27, but Google Maps doesn't.

However, last year a bill was signed that means I-27 is going to be extended so that it goes from Laredo, TX to Raton, NM, with sections I-27W and I-27E between Sterling City, TX and Lamesa, TX, I-27W via Midland, and I-27E via Big Springs, TX.

I read that the additional 4 or 5 miles south of Lubbock may be signed I-27 this month (February 2024). Anyone know if that's happening or has happened?

 

[Talmen]

Well, OK, I'm not sure if it's officially on I-27 yet. OSM/Supercharge.info has the miles south of the Loop marked as I-27, but Google Maps doesn't.

However, last year a bill was signed that means I-27 is going to be extended so that it goes from Laredo, TX to Raton, NM, with sections I-27W and I-27E between Sterling City, TX and Lamesa, TX, I-27W via Midland, and I-27E via Big Springs, TX.

I read that the additional 4 or 5 miles south of Lubbock may be signed I-27 this month (February 2024). Anyone know if that's happening or has happened?

Yeah, I heard the I-27 designation had been approved to be extended as the highway is brought up to interstate standards. I don't really like the E/W designations of interstates like I-35 E/W in DFW and Minneapolis/St. Paul or the ridiculousness of I-69 E/C/W in South Texas. Wish one route would be numbered as a spur route such as I-127 like the Interstate numbering system had initially intended.

Not sure if re-signing has happened yet in Lubbock but I know most of... if not all of US-87 in Lubbock is up to interstate standards and just needs to be re-signed.

 

[ItsNotAboutTheMoney]

Yeah, I heard the I-27 designation had been approved to be extended as the highway is brought up to interstate standards. I don't really like the E/W designations of interstates (like I-35 E/W in DFW and Minneapolis/St. Paul or the ridiculousness of I-69 E/C/W in South Texas.). Wish one route would be numbered as a spur route such as I-127 like the Interstate numbering system had initially intended.

Not sure if re-signing has happened yet in Lubbock but I know a lot of... if not most of US-87 in Lubbock is up to interstate standards and just needs to be re-signed.

Well, given that Texas and New Mexico seem to be enthusiastic about it, I'll include this as being on I-27 using the OSM start and then at some point treat the whole thing as Future I-27, and update existing locations at being on it. Since it appears that I-27E at Big Springs should be the shorter route I'd treat I-27E as being part of the main I-27 (as I do with other splits like I-35 in Dallas-Fort Worth and Minneapolis-St Paul).

 

[ItsNotAboutTheMoney]

Lubbock - University Ave, TX

Host Type: Store
Host: Target
Along Primary Interstates: I-27
Along US Numbered Highways (<=5mi): US-62, US-82, US-84, US-87
Along Auxiliary Interstates: None

I-27

From: Start (US-87 Lubbock, TX) - 6.3 miles
To: Plainview, TX - 50.8 miles
Diversion: 3.3 miles
To: End (I-40/US-60/US-87 Amarillo, TX) - 125.6 miles

US-62

From: Lubbock (SC), TX - 8.7 miles
To: Childress, TX (v2) - 154.2 miles
Diversion: 9.3 miles
From: Start (Mexico at El Paso, TX) - 342.3 miles
To: Oklahoma City - NE 36th St, OK - 385.5 miles

US-82

From: Lubbock (SC), TX - 7.9 miles
To: Henrietta, TX (v2) - 238.1 miles
Diversion: 8.5 miles
From: Start (US-54/US-70 Alamogordo, NM) - 277.1 miles
To: Gainesville, TX - 301 miles (Permit)

US-84

From: Clovis, NM - 107.7 miles (Permit)
To: Post, TX - 39.3 miles (Construction)
Diversion: 4.6 miles
From: Santa Rosa, NM (v2) - 208 miles
To: Sweetwater, TX (v2) - 122.4 miles

US-87

From: San Angelo, TX - 200.8 miles
To: Plainview, TX - 50.8 miles
Diversion: 2.9 miles
From: Leon Springs, TX (v2) - 393.3 miles
To: Amarillo - River Rd, TX - 130.5 miles (Permit)

A proper Lubbock Supercharger. We would expect that once this opens the small Lubbock Service Center Supercharger will close.

 

[AudreyHTX1]

Yes, Tesla has had a partnership with Target for many years now.

Last time we made it all the way from Sweetwater to Plainview both directions and with the new Post location we will have yet another option.

If they’ll get just get a supercharger in Roswell I won’t even be going through the TX panhandle anymore to get to southern CO or Northern NM. We prefer to drive west on I-10 and then cross southern NM to I-40 via US285.

 

[Guacahummus]

City permit

https://egovaccess.ci.lubbock.tx.u...#/permit/02a25f19-b38f-4389-ad81-15dc35499c22

 

[DarkRelms]

City permit

https://egovaccess.ci.lubbock.tx.us...#/permit/02a25f19-b38f-4389-ad81-15dc35499c22

link is dead

 

[Talmen]

Works for me...

 

[DarkRelms]

Works for me...

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[Cattledog]

Updates?

 

[MereAnatomy]

Tesla has an email out to contractors requesting them not to break ground on any new sites and only continue construction if it’s already in progress. Hopefully permitting counts for this site and those in New Mexico, but this will be a big blow to West Texas and the New Mexican charging desert.

 

[Talmen]

Tesla has an email out to contractors requesting them not to break ground on any new sites and only continue construction if it’s already in progress. Hopefully permitting counts for this site and those in New Mexico, but this will be a big blow to West Texas and the New Mexican charging desert.

Yeah, this move makes absolutely no sense to me. I've thought about this a lot since the announcement about the Supercharger team layoffs came out and I still don't get why Elon did it. That is absolutely the last department I would have made cuts from; the Supercharger team was killing it and Tesla's reputation in this area was leaps and bounds ahead of anyone else and wildly considered the "Gold Standard" on how to deploy public Fast DC Charging. Why Elon decided to throw that out the window and sack most if not all that build-out team and violently crash their reputation into the ground is beyond me.

His reasons are only known to him I guess but from the outside looking in, this is the first time I've truly believed Elon made a stupid decision that does nothing but hurt the company and I'm struggling to find any positive in it. I say that even owning some shares of Tesla.... Every other questionable decision I've seen, I can see his thought process on it and understood why he made the decision he did, even if I disagreed with it... but not this one. I really hope this wasn't a silly tantrum because he didn't get is way on something.

Anyway </End Elon Rant>

I really hope these already permitted sites including this Lubbock one, Abilene and a few others will still get built out. I have my doubts, but maybe they will just be delayed and not straight up canceled.

 

[electrons4u]

The MSM loves to kick Tesla and Elon, in any way possible. Some say they do it for the clicks and they don't care if it's true or not. So if you want the info straight from the horse's mouth instead of Biznuss Insider or Reuterzz or other click-bait factories, Elon just tweeted this about 20 min ago:

"Just to reiterate: Tesla will spend well over $500M expanding our Supercharger network to create thousands of NEW chargers this year.

That’s just on new sites and expansions, not counting operations costs, which are much higher."

 

[Talmen]

The MSM loves to kick Tesla and Elon, in any way possible. Some say they do it for the clicks and they don't care if it's true or not. So if you want the info straight from the horse's mouth instead of Biznuss Insider or Reuterzz or other click-bait factories, Elon just tweeted this about 20 min ago:

"Just to reiterate: Tesla will spend well over $500M expanding our Supercharger network to create thousands of NEW chargers this year.

That’s just on new sites and expansions, not counting operations costs, which are much higher."

I saw that this morning to. If he would have led with that originally, may have stopped or at least softened the blow back. I also noticed the Tesla Charging twitter account has become active again. It had been inactive since 4/25. Maybe they have been hiring some people back.

I still stand by what I said about it not seeming like this layoff was thought about before it happened. There could have been a more graceful way of doing what he did. I'm a huge proponent of how they have been building out the network and see it as one of their greatest non-car assets. It's personally what drove me to buy a Tesla over anything else. Why you would gut something so hard that is widely seen as one as Tesla's greatest accomplishments is beyond me. I really wish Tesla had a PR department for stuff like this. Might help with the wild theory crafting.

I'll keep watching this site and other West Texas ones since we may have hope again, that they will be built.

$500M is a lot when most 8-12 stall sites get installed for around $150K-$200K. That $500M should fund lots of expansion.

 

[Twiglett]

I saw that this morning to. If he would have led with that originally, may have stopped or at least softened the blow back. I also noticed the Tesla Charging twitter account has become active again. It had been inactive since 4/25. Maybe they have been hiring some people back.

I still stand by what I said about it not seeming like this layoff was thought about before it happened. There could have been a more graceful way of doing what he did. I'm a huge proponent of how they have been building out the network and see it as one of their greatest non-car assets. It's personally what drove me to buy a Tesla over anything else. Why you would gut something so hard that is widely seen as one as Tesla's greatest accomplishments is beyond me. I really wish Tesla had a PR department for stuff like this. Might help with the wild theory crafting.

I'll keep watching this site and other West Texas ones since we may have hope again, that they will be built.

$500M is a lot when most 8-12 stall sites get installed for around $150K-$200K. That $500M should fund lots of expansion.

It does seem an odd thing to claim though.
I’ve just canned everyone who does this work, but we are still expanding, honest.
Pretty difficult to argue investment while at the same time removing those who are needed to actually do the work.

 

[AudreyHTX1]

The whole thing has been quite bizarre. I’m pretty sure they dropped some of the planned contract jobs. The $500M might just cover what they are completing this year (ground already broken worldwide), I really have no idea. The first news was so shocking as there are many permitted, planned, committed to etc., that I’ve been hoping for. In particular New Mexico which finally got the govt funding to cover several sites and southern Colorado which through city/state funding has committed to several sites.

Fortunately we already took our long road trip this year and don’t know what we’ll do next year. We visited many new for us chargers, some brand new and some recently expanded. So while I have been avidly watching supercharger construction along our favorite routes for a couple of years now, I’m going to take a long break and just see where things settle out early next year.