Strange. For me (running Safari on a Mac), the Custom Order page looks like the following, and no dates appear when I scroll down.
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Just poking around I was able to configure a Model S which said delivery would be March… of 2023. My Cybertruck might be here before then! (If I’m lucky and no more delays and the delivery truck has a tailwind)
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I was serious actually!! No idea about Superman II or Zog. Hopelessly clueless. Oh well, thank you for explaining!Are you being serious?
It’s the villains from Superman II. Admiral Zog? I can recall. Not a band at all, I thought that was the joke.
Based on the wording in the filings, there were no more indirectly held shares sold on the 9th or 10th.Filing 10 forms is a confirmation Elon has sold some, that is certain.
Is it certain however, if all forms have been filed, representing all sales up to this point?
That’s it, there is a secret message on Musk’s 11th SEC filing.Apparently all 10 forms filed today only consist of ~4.5 million shares out of the 20 million shares he needs to sell to reach the promised 10% threshold.
This saga is only getting started. Buckle up, this is gonna be one bumpy ride.
I think there may be some kind of people who will cry manipulation foul if there's a stock split announcement prior to Musk finish selling his shares.I love all this cloak and dagger digging for clues. If a 11:1 split is announced tomorrow, everyone gets a pat on the back...and gets even richer.
Don’t be so hard on yourself - i would estimate most people under 30 wouldn’t have any idea either.I was serious actually!! No idea about Superman II or Zog. Hopelessly clueless. Oh well, thank you for explaining!
My spreadsheet ran out of cells trying to figure this out, and my brain ran out of cells also. I was surprised to see sales reported today in the Form 4 along with the runup in price we saw. Who's buying these shares ? To my tired brain, I'm going to rely on the brilliant forum members here for advice. seems like good support around 1000-1012, but with massive share dumps, i.e. the possibility of further large sales, we may have more opportunity to buy at lower prices, for long term gains. I never knew I could issue extended hours (pre-market) limit orders the night before, but the downside is catching the falling knife like I did Monday. Oh well, long term !Only the Monday sales (two pages) of <50% of the shares from his option execution to cover taxes from the exercise were part of the September 10b5-1 plan.
The Tuesday (5 pages) and Wednesday (3 pages) sales of indirectly held stock were not part of a preset sales plan.
Twitter poll outcome may have been impactful.
Based on the wording in the filings, there were no more indirectly held shares sold on the 9th or 10th.
There could be more sales on those dates if there were a different transaction on those dates (like another option exercise).
Hard to be unnoticed when you are filing a bunch of Form 4s every 1-3 days...100-200k shares sold a day will go unnoticed and he'll be done before the year end.
There's also the second follow up tweet below that would seem to suggest a 2 for 1 split:I will point out a recurring theme: 11, Superman II, snake eyes (1,1). Tomorrow is the 11th.
edit: I have no strategy, no dry powder. All I have is popcorn.
I mean you know he is selling, but him selling at a steady rate with Tsla's volume is not disruptive to the market unlike what we have seen this Tuesday. Large dumps just cause margin calls and trigger stop losses. You amplify the problem when you dump like that.Hard to be unnoticed when you are filing a bunch of Form 4s every 1-3 days...
The shares allear to be sold on the open market given the prices and recent volume.My spreadsheet ran out of cells trying to figure this out, and my brain ran out of cells also. I was surprised to see sales reported today in the Form 4 along with the runup in price we saw. Who's buying these shares ? To my tired brain, I'm going to rely on the brilliant forum members here for advice. seems like good support around 1000-1012, but with massive share dumps, i.e. the possibility of further large sales, we may have more opportunity to buy at lower prices, for long term gains. I never knew I could issue extended hours (pre-market) limit orders the night before, but the downside is catching the falling knife like I did Monday. Oh well, long term !
Even if locked, those shares represent ownership of the company and would recieve dividends. In the financials, they do give earnings in terms of outstanding and fully diluted (all outstanding compensation options granted and convertabke nonds redeemed) which is in line with your thought.OK, I realize this is probably taken care of by the experts and analysts, but just to make sure, as I have not seen it explicitly addressed:
When evaluating a realistic PE ratio, shouldn't one take into account the percentage of shares that are not REALLY on the market? For example, in case of Tesla, probably 25% (probably more) are in practice not tradable - Musk shares primarily, but also likely Ellison etc. Thus one has a smaller effective pool of tradable shares.
So when one calculates the PE of Tesla at say 100, and with say 25% effectively locked shares, should the "true" PE be really 75?
Of course, PE is PE, it is well defined, but for experts to be able to gauge the correct value of the stock, would the PE modified downwards to account for the effectively locked shares be a much more useful metric?
I am not an economist by any stretch, so apologies if this is something trivial.
so apologies if this is something trivial.
OK, I realize this is probably taken care of by the experts and analysts, but just to make sure, as I have not seen it explicitly addressed:
When evaluating a realistic PE ratio, shouldn't one take into account the percentage of shares that are not REALLY on the market? For example, in case of Tesla, probably 25% (probably more) are in practice not tradable - Musk shares primarily, but also likely Ellison etc. Thus one has a smaller effective pool of tradable shares.
So when one calculates the PE of Tesla at say 100, and with say 25% effectively locked shares, should the "true" PE be really 75?
Of course, PE is PE, it is well defined, but for experts to be able to gauge the correct value of the stock, would the PE modified downwards to account for the effectively locked shares be a much more useful metric?
I am not an economist by any stretch, so apologies if this is something trivial.