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  1. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Tesla might claim no Juniper this year, but they also went to great lengths to pretend nothing was happening to the model 3, and Elon even said 'highland' was not even a term he recognized, right up until they announced them, and pre-recorded review videos appeared on youtube. I would not be...
  2. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Mach Es and Jaguars? Alfa Romeos? How many combined? is it a million? is it even 100,000? Heck, is it even 10,000 cars? Its a trivial effort in comparison to Teslas moat of video data. And I really think the 'Tesla having trouble launching autopilot on CT' comment may not age well. There is no...
  3. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    I don't believe this to be entirely true. Its not like FSD is a single neural network, but many, in layers. Some of those layers are doing very generic stuff, such as stop-light and road-sign recognition, basically making sense of what all the objects are that the car can see. The very 'end'...
  4. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    I am not ignoring you. Wayve is a TINY company (based in London) compared to Tesla. They are testing their systems on Ocado delivery trucks. Whoopdy-do. I'm sure there are millions of those (there are not). If chatgpt has any lesson whatsoever, its the AI improves dramatically with scale of...
  5. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    I really dont think these two things are the same. Tesla has actual competition for EVs, mostly from BYD and other Chinese companies, but also MG and Nissan, even VW to some extent. The reason is that people have wildly different tastes and needs for cars, and some people HATE the cybertruck and...
  6. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    People are definitely getting confused. X.AI is doing... we dont know what yet. But its using conventional AI hardware AFAIK, probably from nvidia. Twitter did grok, again, probably just a stack of nvidia hardware Tesla designed Dojo, and will use it for FSD training. These are all different...
  7. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Yup the average speed thing is absolute genius, an excellent addition. I was quite slow to notice brake and indicator lights showing up on all the cars. In general, this was a really nice update. I'm hoping the next one finally gets us in the UK some usability from FSD ownership. Even autopark...
  8. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    I haven't seen this story mentioned here before? https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Supply-Chain/Tesla-pushes-suppliers-to-produce-parts-outside-of-China-and-Taiwan Basically Tesla hedging its bets and telling its component manufacturers formally to work on providing a supply chain that is...
  9. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Elon has 184.7 million followers on twitter. I thought it was absolutely, stunning, clearly, hugely obvious that this makes him more vocal a CEO than any other fortune 500 CEO, but feel free to show me the social media profiles of more high profile ones.
  10. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Most CEOs keep a very very low profile politically, and also most CEOs have nowhere near the wealth of Elon. The combination of his political stance and being so wealthy was like catnip to an activist judge. Most fortune 500 companies have very boring CEOs who never need to care about the...
  11. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Rivian are in way, way worse a position than Tesla ever was, and Tesla didn't have to compete with any other EV company:
  12. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Rivian are not serious contenders. Sure, they make some great vehicles that the owners really like...but given they sell every single one at a catastrophic eye-watering loss, they SHOULD really like them. At some point soon, Rivian shareholders will get sick of the losses, and force management...
  13. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Nvidia basically designs (does not manufacture) cutting edge computer chips. Tesla builds cars, and even many of the components like seats. There is NO comparison. It would be insane for nvidia not to pay more for chip designers than Tesla pays people to assemble car seats.
  14. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    NVDA is my second largest investment after TSLA. I bought a long time ago and am about 1,000% up on average. I have no complaints. BUT NVDA don't make anything. They are like Apple, they design amazing products that they get built somewhere else. There is potential existential risk if China...
  15. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Its kinda cool that 'there is a disengagement every 200 miles' is seen as a criticism right now. Thats...pretty impressive. As I've said before, you dont need actual robotaxi reliability to see a HUGE boost to the company. Who in the world would use any other car than a tesla for working as an...
  16. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    I think its perfectly fair to love TSLA (I do!) and admire and support Elon (I do!) but still think its ridiculous how many companies he is apparently running. Twitter was definitely a step too far. I love that he changed what he did there, but I'd be happier if he could both sell his twitter...
  17. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    TBH its probably extremely unlikely. The use case for starlink is rural. They just cannot support the population density in a city, certainly not as well as ground based cell towers and wired internet can. And the use case for robotaxi is overwhelmingly urban.
  18. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    LOL. It turns out I have 19,000 shares, not 10k. Also sent an angry letter about it :D.
  19. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    I will pester hargreaves Lansdowne today too, sod it. I have 10k shares and Its insane I cannot vote...
  20. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Is it? These are not model Ys, they will be the priciest vehicle product Tesla makes. The market for semis is also very conservative and cautious. I think this shows quite a bit of confidence. I also suspect that this will end up being US only, with a second plant built in China or Europe once...
  21. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    I think people get a bit too obsessed with the 20 million cars a year goal. I'm an investor, not a car collector. If the best way for Tesla to make a ton of cash is to make 2 million robotaxis, or 1 million taxis and 5 million bots, then lets do that. I'm sure BYD will keep making EVs. We all...
  22. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    And your verified independent source for this would be?
  23. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    I dont think you can extrapolate from the US as to how global politics will respond to climate change. I'm in the UK, which is a climate-change denying hellscape compared to much of Europe, and we are tons better than the US. Take a look at China's rollout of high speed rail, and its amazing...
  24. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Given the catastrophic impact of carbon emissions from flying, and no immediate prospect of pollution-free flights any time soon, as climate change inevitably gets worse, I suspect many governments will go further in financially encouraging people not to fly, especially if it becomes common for...
  25. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    TBH none of us know, but I would guess that before they make FSD live on a new model like the CT, they will, at the very least, run FSD in shadow mode on a bunch of CTs for quite a while. They may know everything they need to know in order to enable it, but nothing will keep the safety experts...
  26. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    IMHO this is underappreciated. Any FSD wannabe is going to initially be very conservative, and at the MOST might consider a placement for 100,000 FSD-capable in-car units. Thats just laughably low by Tesla standards, who are probably using almost identical hardware in the 3 and Y, and to some...
  27. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    FWIW There are twitter rumours showing a new center console for an updated model Y. Probably nonsense, but its not like its hard to imagine we are due a small model Y update. I wouldn't expect it to be a major sales driver, more of a 'keep up with highland' thing, but nevertheless it would be...
  28. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    If you have been holding TSLA for a long time (about 9 years for me I think), and obsessively follow Elon, its actually really clear and simple. He says exactly what he thinks and what he is planning to do, and then he does it. Its often late, and people spend a huge amount of time reading...
  29. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Unless you have a million connected vehicles with identical camera placements in the hands of people driving them every day, and the infrastructure to collect, sort, sift and train on that data, then no, you do not have the same capability for training AI based self-driving as Tesla. I am happy...
  30. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    The trouble with fighting about rival self driving systems using real time video is that its not a single drive that is the problem. I'm sure its perfectly possible to do a 90 minute Mercedes drive that is flawless. That would make for a great stock-pump video. The problem is, if you only have a...
  31. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Mercedes system only works on certain roads. Thats not self-driving, thats 'driving on certain roads'. For all practical purposes they may as well just given free train tickets to mercedes buyers who live near specific roads. If people are going to let mercedes get away with claiming they sell...
  32. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    I think when people say 'people aren't buying EVs', this is in large part driven by statements from the likes of Ford about their EV pickup sales in the US. Its true that they are scaling those back, and despite repeated claims to be scaling, Rivian aren't producing huge numbers of their pickup...
  33. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Yup thats exactly what I said isn't it. Amazing analysis.
  34. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    People might follow Elon, but that doesnt mean they are obsessively following every press release by Tesla. If Tesla introduce a new color for the model Y, or a new trim, or there is a new report about the efficiency of cybertruck, Elon can tweet and ensure everyone following him hears about it...
  35. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    One of the most followed people on the most famous and widely quoted social media sites on earth. A HUGE part of PR is reach. People pay a LOT for reach. Average social media cost per thousand impressions is $6. This recent post by elon (only yesterday) has so far got 49.5million views. It will...
  36. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    I don't get it. You aren't an investor, OR a shortseller. Why spend so much time here? I think GOOG and AAPL are both really bad investments, and if someone asks me I'll mention it. I have even tweeted it a few times. But I wouldn't sign up for an account on an apple or google website to tell...
  37. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    BTW another way to evaluate elon's focus: Elon is 100% focused on the next stupid hard challenge. Its what he thinks about, and tweets about. That doesn't mean previous beaten challenges don't continue to trundle along. For example he tweets WAY more about starship than falcon 9, because...
  38. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Ha, don't get me wrong I massively feel your pain. I also have a no USS 2022 model Y with FSD, and no autopark, and it annoys the hell out of me :D. I'm just speaking more as an investor than owner there.
  39. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Long before any of us have the option of a robotaxi, the effect of really-really-really good FSD, even if technically you have to still be the driver is going to noticeable. Take a look at the advertising budgets of major car companies, and then look at the ads. Notice anything? They say NOTHING...
  40. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    As an investor since at least 2015, I have to agree with the posts on trading vs investing. I've seen enough awesome tesla news that fails to move the stock AND enough random inconsequential nonsense that catapults it into the skies...to know that I cannot predict the monthly moves of the SP. I...
  41. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Its an interesting question. Advertising does not just work on the potential purchaser, it also works on people who 'reflect' the desire to purchase. Hardly anyone who sees an advert on a billboard or TV for a porsche can afford a porsche. This does not matter. The point is, those ads solidify...
  42. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    I'm not worried for several reasons: 1) Tesla AFAIK use ASICS, meaning the chip is literally designed with the code in mind. That means you need not only all the code, but also the hardware. Its not exactly easy to look at a 9-billion transistor chip and just get someone to copy it for you. The...
  43. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    You seem convinced that people with skills in ridiculous demand are motivated purely by money. Just not true. I'm an ex AI programmer, with a lot of experience. I remember vividly turning down a job that was a 20 minute easy commute, with no more than 40 hours a week, a stable company and...
  44. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    This has been discussed a lot. Tesla is not a place to interview for if you want work/life balance. Its not a place to work at because of the high salary. Its not a place to work at if you want to chill out, or socialize, or embark on a time-intensive hobby. If you want to spend time with the...
  45. cliff harris

    [UK] Spring Software Update

    Installing now! (2022 model Y performance, no USS)
  46. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    This makes it even more clear that nobody can possibly compete. Its bad enough that you need terrabytes of specially collected video footage to even train reasonable FSD, but if the last 1% of perfection can only use a trivial percentage of that data, then its even more essential that you have...
  47. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Twitter was the most zeitgeisty, celebrity-packed, newsworthy and well-known social media site on the planet. Presidents, pop-stars, everyone used it to stay relevant. It was absolutely crushing it in terms of reach and relevance. It was clearly also a censorship-packed financial train wreck...
  48. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    100%. I'm kind-of-retired (easily could do), and yet occasionally I find myself perusing the tesla/spacex jobs list. If I was single, I'd probably emigrate to the US purely so I could work at one of those companies. I would not in any way consider working for any other company on earth. The same...
  49. cliff harris

    Tesla, TSLA & the Investment World: the Perpetual Investors' Roundtable

    Some blatant bot speculation: One of the 'issues' for the bot, is that it does not have the data that FSD has. The sheer gigatonnage of video clips amassed by millions of tesla cars provides a huge amount of data that dojo can chunk through to train the FSD network for learning how to drive in...
  50. cliff harris

    Tesla Bot

    its almost like the bot is still in development. This is not a sales video offering this capability. Its an update on a sample task being used to develop the way the bot is trained. Not every task is well suited to bolting a 1 ton kuka robot to a position for it to work on all day. I guess all...