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Don't worry, you have a good shot at learning all about phantom braking too. There is clearly a pattern with Tesla and starting to de-content useful things. I was one of the first people who got one of the Y's last year that didn't have radar. What a cluster that was. My car with radar has MUCH better AP and cruise control (TACC) than my cars where they gutted the radar.I hope this gets sorted out soon. I picked up my MYP on Friday and the lack of this feature is my only gripe with the car. it seems like a pretty serious omission in a car at this price point. Car came with 2022.40.4.1
Read pages 4 and 5 of your original order. There is a mention of Arbitration and Small Claims court.I asked my SA if I could delay my order until this feature restored I was told “This order cannot be placed on hold and this car will need to be delivered within 3 days of arrival.”
I’m going into the retail store tomorrow and ask again. If I’m told no and they cancel my order I think I have a good case for small claims court.
Speechless (well nearly ) with frustration with Tesla. Ok they are cheaping out the new cars but on existing cars, just leave well enough alone. The software to handle them exists and there's no good reason to break it.. yeah it is Tesla though
I can’t disagree with your sentiments, however one would expect that they have the replacement technology ready to go before implementing any changes. It’s shameful that they have adopted this approach.I don't think anyone has said that existing cars will disable the ultrasonic sensors. And even if it does, as long as the new software meets or exceeds the performance of the low resolution sensors, what's the issue with that?
I don't consider removing all those sensors as cheaping out -- not at all. It's optimization. The best part is no part. This change removes at least 3 dozen discrete parts from the car. A dozen sensors, a dozen mounts, several wiring harnesses and at least 14 wire connectors. All failure points, all removed. This'll reduce cost and labor - significantly - for the two most commonly-replaced body parts. Part manufacture, ship, installation all simplified. Stocking, simplified. Supply chain, simplified.
And even after the car is in the field -- this GREATLY improves the process for repair as well. Much, much quicker, many less parts, less wiring -- that's all goodness.
CQI - Continuous Quality Improvement. Building a better product. Removing these parts is a huge process improvement. Bigger than it appears on the surface, for sure.
That's an effort I can get behind.
I can’t disagree with your sentiments, however one would expect that they have the replacement technology ready to go before implementing any changes. It’s shameful that they have adopted this approach.
I'm sorry (maybe I'm dumb), but what are "all the benefits" of removing the sensors?So we wait. And hopefully it's only a month or two, at which time everyone forgets all about this, moves on with a great functioning car, and all the benefits of removing the sensors.
I'm sorry (maybe I'm dumb), but what are "all the benefits" of removing the sensors?
I don't know if it's because my car has the newer cameras, but I haven't had any phantom braking yet. With all the talk I would have expected it to surface by now. Granted I only have about 2000 miles on mine so far, but 90% or more of my driving is on autopilot.Don't worry, you have a good shot at learning all about phantom braking too.
The Vision version have improved greatly from when it first started. It also varies depending on where you are. If you are in areas where Teslas are most popular it also seems to do better.I don't know if it's because my car has the newer cameras, but I haven't had any phantom braking yet. With all the talk I would have expected it to surface by now. Granted I only have about 2000 miles on mine so far, but 90% or more of my driving is on autopilot.
1) Best possible case: Both are ready at same time.
- Great. Change software, change hardware, customers don't notice a thing. Perfect scenario.
2) Next worst case: Hardware is ready, software is not.
- Not so great. Now I've got all new parts, I've stopped ordering the old parts, so can't install any more sensors. Customers will have to wait for parking sensor functionality until software is ready.
3) Worse yet: Software is ready, hardware is not.
- A Very Bad Day: We have to stop the assembly line because now I'm out of the old parts, and don't have the new parts yet to install. As soon as I get a shipment of parts, we turn the lines back on.
4) Worst of all: Software & hardware both not ready.
- Armageddon: Assembly line is stopped and no idea how the hell to get it going again.
So having no car seats would also be better? Removing wipers would be an improvement? We can maybe remove the batteries, huge cost reduction and all our range anxiety would dissappear!I posted them above -- 2023 Model 3 without USS and proximity functionality [park assist / summon not available]
Reduction in parts, basically. Ease of manufacture, inventory and repair.
"The best part is no part."
Can't wait. I saw interviews of ppl saying it'll be even more accurate than USS when it's all done.yep. This has been discussed in many threads. Functionality is supposed to return in the coming months.
USS were not designed for keeping track of kids/pets/whatever in the first place. See limitations in manual, most relevant portions:There have already been tests showing that the existing front cameras can not see directly in front of the car where the sensors can. I know, I know, back in the old days when cars were not the size of semi trucks, we didn't need no stinking sensors to keep track of our kids/pets/whatever to avoid running them over.
Model 3 Owner's Manual | TeslaPark Assist may not function correctly in these situations:
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The object is located below approximately 8 inches (20 cm) (such as a curb or low barrier).
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The object is located too close to the bumper.
I think the part you are referring to is saying it is "better" for Tesla, not necessarily for the customer (other than getting their car delivered in a more timely manner).Claims of no-part-is-better in this regard seems to come up short; so I'm not buying it here. Just like I disagree with vision only vs vision + radar. Certainly not with the current cameras.
The real truth, regardless of happy sounding justifications, is it makes the cars cheaper to build, just like haptic buttons and/or touch screens for everything vs real controls. That's all well and good except when it has a negative impact on the actual functionality/usability of the car.