Elon & Twitter

[advocate8]

A journalist was working on this and probably gave Elon an expectation. Don't confuse "impossibly optimistic" with intentional lying.

So... basically he’s shooting his mouth off constantly about some pretty important things and suggesting all kinds of grandiose malfeasance ...because someone gave him inaccurate... expectations?
Maybe he should try not Tweeting until he knows what he’s talking about.

 

[advocate8]

- If you don’t have an agenda, you don’t have to lie.
- If you don’t lie, you are not going to get called out and no need to squirm.

Media typically has an agenda and they implement it usually without much difficulty. Except in recent times they are getting exposed, which is new territory for them.

no, they don’t. this is a pretty standard simple-minded stereotype. they aren’t smart enough to be organized and they don’t have some motive for an agenda. Except, apparently Fox, according to evidence recently presented in court.

 

[STS-134]

- If you don’t have an agenda, you don’t have to lie.

Lying or just plain wrong?

• Funding secured
• Robo-taxis
• Vision cameras only
• Pedo
• Pelosi
• COVID going away in “April”
• Emerald mines
• Horse for flight attendant
• Yoel Roth sympathetic to pedophilia
• Taibbi employed at Substack

Well, Elon has an agenda, so...

 

[indysurfer]

Again you should check facts before posting, though I can see it's not really your style. No one in power on the left pushed "defund the police" nor has there been any serious efforts to do so.

Not an anomaly: 2020's red states have higher murder rates

The issue has plagued Democrats for years, but they hope new data will change the crime narrative.

www.axios.com

Apologies - I did check the last several pages - but must have missed the link to the BBC video.

On Defund the Police notion - did you see who Chicago just elected as their next Mayor despite record crime and violence? Did you see his ridiculous comment over the "youth riots" that happened over this past weekend?

Just because Joe Biden is not trumpeting "Defund the Police" at a national level - let's not pretend their aren't thousands of elected Progressive Mayors, Prosecutors and State Legislators that have emptied our jails, reduced felonies to misdemeanors and shrunk police forces.

Have you been to San Francisco, Portland, Seattle or Los Angeles lately?

Breed asks for $28 million amid 'severe' S.F. police shortage​

Breed asks for $28 million amid 'severe' S.F. police shortage

Mayor London Breed introduced her proposal to add $28 million to the city budget to fund police overtime.

www.sfexaminer.com

Why Portland has fewer cops now than any point in past 30 years​

Why Portland has fewer cops now than any point in past 30 years

A lack of funding from City Council is only part of the explanation for the decline in sworn officers.

www.oregonlive.com

New recruiting plan unveiled as Seattle Police Department reports 30-year low in officers​

New recruiting plan unveiled as Seattle Police Department reports 30-year low in officers

The recruiting strategy involves proposed hiring incentives of up to $30,000 for lateral transfers and $7,500 for new recruits.

www.king5.com

 

[indysurfer]

Tucker Carlson isn't a reporter, he hosts a variety show for stupid people.

Yes - Tucker is a loudmouth editorialist.

Just like all of the other "reporters" at MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS and NBC.

I think most people watching Tucker knows he has a Conservative point of view and he makes no effort to claim he is "impartial". Whereas, alot of my good Liberal friends think people like Jim Acosta, Don Lemon, Chuck Todd, and Joe Scarborough are truly down the line unbiased reporters.

As you say, there is a big audience of "Stupid People". But it is on both sides of the political spectrum. To think the stupid people only flow in one direction would be downright stupid IMHO.

 

[ohmman]

Apologies - I did check the last several pages - but must have missed the link to the BBC video.

On Defund the Police notion - did you see who Chicago just elected as their next Mayor despite record crime and violence? Did you see his ridiculous comment over the "youth riots" that happened over this past weekend?

Just because Joe Biden is not trumpeting "Defund the Police" at a national level - let's not pretend their aren't thousands of elected Progressive Mayors, Prosecutors and State Legislators that have emptied our jails, reduced felonies to misdemeanors and shrunk police forces.

Have you been to San Francisco, Portland, Seattle or Los Angeles lately?

Breed asks for $28 million amid 'severe' S.F. police shortage​

Breed asks for $28 million amid 'severe' S.F. police shortage

Mayor London Breed introduced her proposal to add $28 million to the city budget to fund police overtime.

www.sfexaminer.com

Why Portland has fewer cops now than any point in past 30 years​

Why Portland has fewer cops now than any point in past 30 years

A lack of funding from City Council is only part of the explanation for the decline in sworn officers.

www.oregonlive.com

New recruiting plan unveiled as Seattle Police Department reports 30-year low in officers​

New recruiting plan unveiled as Seattle Police Department reports 30-year low in officers

The recruiting strategy involves proposed hiring incentives of up to $30,000 for lateral transfers and $7,500 for new recruits.

www.king5.com

How about Tulsa, Knoxville, Huntsville..

Tulsa Police Chief Says Department Faces Staff Shortages, Increase In Violent Crimes

The Tulsa Police Department is dealing with staffing shortages at the same time our city is seeing an increase in violence, according to Chief Wendell Franklin.

www.newson6.com

Knoxville mayor proposes tax and pay increases to combat city and police staffing shortages

The mayor's office said 1 in 10 positions at the Knoxville Police Department is unfilled.

www.wbir.com

Huntsville Police Department faces lingering officer shortage despite ramped-up recruiting efforts

As Huntsville's police department makes headlines this week for their now former officer David McCoy’s capital murder arrest, they are in the middle of a long-term hiring crisis.

www.waaytv.com

This is a nationwide issue. Easy to select cities that show a particular bias, but violent crime has increased and police staffing has decreased primarily due to unfilled positions.

 

[indysurfer]

Possibly the most followed guy on twitter, with near infinite resources, should take a few minutes to actually learn the facts and details of a thing before he comments on them to 100+ million people? Especially when he's so often amplified what turned out to be....less than accurate claims... in the past by not doing so?

Just a thought.

Agreed -

So does that apply to our entire "Mainstream Media" that pushed the Russia collusion hoax that has now been thoroughly debunked?

The media even awarded each other Pulitzer Prizes over these blatant falsehoods! When are they going to give the Pulitzer Prizes back and have month's long public investigations and introspection about how they got their reporting so wrong?

How many on this forum still believe all the crap that was "reported" about the Steele Dossier, Pee-tapes and all of the other salacious lies?

 

[indysurfer]

How about Tulsa, Knoxville, Huntsville..


This is a nationwide issue. Easy to select cities that show a particular bias, but violent crime has increased and police staffing has decreased primarily due to unfilled positions.

Yes - the police shortage is a nationwide issue thanks to draconian COVID policies along with the hangover of the national riots we had over George Floyd's killing. Lots of Democrats vocally and financially supported the BLM riots. This has lead to total demoralization of our police forces resulting in the shortages we see now.

Only one party is pushing for being more lenient with criminals and extending government handouts for those not working.

BTW - lots of Red or Moderate states have very violent cities that have been run by Democrats for decades. Chicago, Detroit, Minneapolis, New Orleans, Philly, St. Louis are prime examples.

 

[DrGriz]

Agreed -

So does that apply to our entire "Mainstream Media" that pushed the Russia collusion hoax that has now been thoroughly debunked?

The media even awarded each other Pulitzer Prizes over these blatant falsehoods! When are they going to give the Pulitzer Prizes back and have month's long public investigations and introspection about how they got their reporting so wrong?

How many on this forum still believe all the crap that was "reported" about the Steele Dossier, Pee-tapes and all of the other salacious lies?

Investigations from Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s team and the GOP-led Senate Intelligence Committee documented the extent to which Trump and his team welcomed, received, and benefited from Russian campaign assistance. (They also obstructed the investigation into this assistance — by some measures, 10 times.)

The evidence also showed there was coordination and high-level connections between Trump’s political operation and those responsible for the attack on our elections. The Senate Intelligence Committee’s report at one point literally described a “direct tie between senior Trump Campaign officials and the Russian intelligence services.”

 

[bkp_duke]

Investigations from Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s team and the GOP-led Senate Intelligence Committee documented the extent to which Trump and his team welcomed, received, and benefited from Russian campaign assistance. (They also obstructed the investigation into this assistance — by some measures, 10 times.)

The evidence also showed there was coordination and high-level connections between Trump’s political operation and those responsible for the attack on our elections. The Senate Intelligence Committee’s report at one point literally described a “direct tie between senior Trump Campaign officials and the Russian intelligence services.”

And yet that SAME special counsel concluded that there was no collusion with Russia:

Mueller finds no collusion with Russia, leaves obstruction question open

Special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation did not find sufficient evidence that President Donald Trump’s campaign coordinated with Russia to influence the United States’ 2016 election and did not take a clear position on whether Trump obstructed justice.

www.americanbar.org

 

[mspohr]

Apologies - I did check the last several pages - but must have missed the link to the BBC video.

On Defund the Police notion - did you see who Chicago just elected as their next Mayor despite record crime and violence? Did you see his ridiculous comment over the "youth riots" that happened over this past weekend?

Just because Joe Biden is not trumpeting "Defund the Police" at a national level - let's not pretend their aren't thousands of elected Progressive Mayors, Prosecutors and State Legislators that have emptied our jails, reduced felonies to misdemeanors and shrunk police forces.

Have you been to San Francisco, Portland, Seattle or Los Angeles lately?

Breed asks for $28 million amid 'severe' S.F. police shortage​

Breed asks for $28 million amid 'severe' S.F. police shortage

Mayor London Breed introduced her proposal to add $28 million to the city budget to fund police overtime.

www.sfexaminer.com

Why Portland has fewer cops now than any point in past 30 years​

Why Portland has fewer cops now than any point in past 30 years

A lack of funding from City Council is only part of the explanation for the decline in sworn officers.

www.oregonlive.com

New recruiting plan unveiled as Seattle Police Department reports 30-year low in officers​

New recruiting plan unveiled as Seattle Police Department reports 30-year low in officers

The recruiting strategy involves proposed hiring incentives of up to $30,000 for lateral transfers and $7,500 for new recruits.

www.king5.com

Went to San Francisco last weekend. Beautiful city. Had a great time.
Lots of people out and about enjoying the nice weekend weather.
Walked the entire Bay edge from Ferry Building to the Presidio and didn't see any crime, violence, drugs (and only one homeless person with their shopping cart).
I'm sure there are "bad" parts of the city but all cities have always had bad parts.
Elon's (and his fellow right wing blowhards) agenda to demonize San Francisco is just bullshit.

 

[advocate8]

Apologies - I did check the last several pages - but must have missed the link to the BBC video.

On Defund the Police notion - did you see who Chicago just elected as their next Mayor despite record crime and violence? Did you see his ridiculous comment over the "youth riots" that happened over this past weekend?

Just because Joe Biden is not trumpeting "Defund the Police" at a national level - let's not pretend their aren't thousands of elected Progressive Mayors, Prosecutors and State Legislators that have emptied our jails, reduced felonies to misdemeanors and shrunk police forces.

Have you been to San Francisco, Portland, Seattle or Los Angeles lately?

Breed asks for $28 million amid 'severe' S.F. police shortage​

Breed asks for $28 million amid 'severe' S.F. police shortage

Mayor London Breed introduced her proposal to add $28 million to the city budget to fund police overtime.

www.sfexaminer.com

Why Portland has fewer cops now than any point in past 30 years​

Why Portland has fewer cops now than any point in past 30 years

A lack of funding from City Council is only part of the explanation for the decline in sworn officers.

www.oregonlive.com

New recruiting plan unveiled as Seattle Police Department reports 30-year low in officers​

New recruiting plan unveiled as Seattle Police Department reports 30-year low in officers

The recruiting strategy involves proposed hiring incentives of up to $30,000 for lateral transfers and $7,500 for new recruits.

www.king5.com

This has little to do with the reasons you suggest. Many, many, many professions are struggling to get men, especially, to work. Look at military recruiting. Look at convenience stores, restaurants etc. etc. etc.
Constantly seeing fast food joints only running their drive-throughs for lack of labor. Good Elon tweet would be "McDonalds must be too woke"

 

[bkp_duke]

Went to San Francisco last weekend. Beautiful city. Had a great time.
Lots of people out and about enjoying the nice weekend weather.
Walked the entire Bay edge from Ferry Building to the Presidio and didn't see any crime, violence, drugs (and only one homeless person with their shopping cart).
I'm sure there are "bad" parts of the city but all cities have always had bad parts.
Elon's (and his fellow right wing blowhards) agenda to demonize San Francisco is just bullshit.

And yet someone called you out about this earlier, showing a map and recent photos. Also, you went to literally the most "touristy" place in SF. If there is one area they will try to keep cleaned up, it's right there on the harbor. Go up about 7-10 blocks from that, it's consistently a *sugar* show.

I was in the Bay area 2 weeks ago, and there was *sugar* everywhere and and probably drove by 1000 homeless tents in half and hour.

EDIT - My oldest was so disappointed when we went up there. "Daddy, this looks nothing like the pictures. There are people in tents everywhere."

 

[thx1139]

On Defund the Police notion - did you see who Chicago just elected as their next Mayor despite record crime and violence? Did you see his ridiculous comment over the "youth riots" that happened over this past weekend?

You show your agenda when you spew inaccurate statistics.

Chicago had worse crime and violence in the past. Violent crime in particular was worse in the early 90s and early 70s. Yes did have a spike during the pandemic peak years of 2020 and 2021 started declining again in 2022.

 

[sunwarriors]

How about Tulsa, Knoxville, Huntsville..

Tulsa Police Chief Says Department Faces Staff Shortages, Increase In Violent Crimes

The Tulsa Police Department is dealing with staffing shortages at the same time our city is seeing an increase in violence, according to Chief Wendell Franklin.

www.newson6.com

Knoxville mayor proposes tax and pay increases to combat city and police staffing shortages

The mayor's office said 1 in 10 positions at the Knoxville Police Department is unfilled.

www.wbir.com

Huntsville Police Department faces lingering officer shortage despite ramped-up recruiting efforts

As Huntsville's police department makes headlines this week for their now former officer David McCoy’s capital murder arrest, they are in the middle of a long-term hiring crisis.

www.waaytv.com

This is a nationwide issue. Easy to select cities that show a particular bias, but violent crime has increased and police staffing has decreased primarily due to unfilled positions.

Totally agree.

Being a cop in America must be one of the worst jobs in the nation. I think being a police officer in any other country would be better for the risk folks in the USA take and my respect to all the good ones out there. There are bad cops too, but it's a pretty crappy, low paying, very high risk job that I think very few high income folks here would ever take/consider.

It's no surprise they are hard to fill in every jurisdiction, not even in blue leaning cities/states. I saw Alameda is now offering a $75k bonus just to hire people. Not many other jobs forces you to charge into an AR gun fight (like that 10 day new cop who was shot in the head) with psychos/suicidal folks/criminals better armed than most cops on a normal patrol until they open their trunk with their own 1 or 2 long guns.

Claiming low cop retention in SF/Portland or any place is selectively picking news/stories they like. Even Florida offers a bonus to get cops to move to that state.

 

[indysurfer]

Investigations from Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s team and the GOP-led Senate Intelligence Committee documented the extent to which Trump and his team welcomed, received, and benefited from Russian campaign assistance. (They also obstructed the investigation into this assistance — by some measures, 10 times.)

The evidence also showed there was coordination and high-level connections between Trump’s political operation and those responsible for the attack on our elections. The Senate Intelligence Committee’s report at one point literally described a “direct tie between senior Trump Campaign officials and the Russian intelligence services.”

See - people still need to believe! You cite lots of "evidence", but where are the indictments and crimes for all the allegations listed above?

Are we to believe the same partisans in our Media and the Democrat party that are supporting the indictment of Trump over Stormy Daniels payments in New York would hesitate to charge Trump with any crimes after all these investigations, special councils and impeachments for "attacking our Democracy"..............if they had the goods?! Look how far the Democrat prosecutor in New York is having to stretch the law to indict Trump this past month.

Hillary Clinton (along with most of our Media) colluded with foreign agents (Christopher Steele) to push a bogus dossier during the 2016 election - but that is not considered foreign campaign assistance?

Biden has been shoveling in millions from Chinese government connected firms for years - but that is not considered foreign campaign assistance?

We can't live in a society where we have 2 sets of rules where the Media and one political party collude to set the narrative and rules.

Elon buying Twitter is a threat to the near monopoly Democrats have over our Media and public discourse - and hence all the crying and complaining by those who are losing power making bogus claims of increases "hate speech" on Twitter like that Twit at the BBC did last week.

 

[mspohr]

And yet someone called you out about this earlier, showing a map and recent photos. Also, you went to literally the most "touristy" place in SF. If there is one area they will try to keep cleaned up, it's right there on the harbor. Go up about 7-10 blocks from that, it's consistently a *sugar* show.

I was in the Bay area 2 weeks ago, and there was *sugar* everywhere and and probably drove by 1000 homeless tents in half and hour.

You can find bad parts in any city and there have always been bad parts to cities.
I had a great time and didn't see any problems so it's definitely not as bad as Elon wants it to be.
BTW, the solution is not more police. The solution is better social services (housing, food, health services). Of course, Republicans don't want to pay for any of this. They want to keep their tax breaks and whinge about the homeless.

 

[bkp_duke]

You can find bad parts in any city and there have always been bad parts to cities.
I had a great time and didn't see any problems so it's definitely not as bad as Elon wants it to be.
BTW, the solution is not more police. The solution is better social services (housing, food, health services). Of course, Republicans don't want to pay for any of this. They want to keep their tax breaks and whinge about the homeless.

No, the cause of homelessness is overwhelmingly mental disease and drug abuse (this is a WELL established fact on both sides of the political aisle).

Any solution has to focus on mental disease treatment and drug rehab (and arguably reducing drug supply). There have been plenty of experiments giving the people "free housing" and they just don't have their lives together enough to properly take advantage of it. And yes, I'm sure you will mention the < 5% that are homeless and not drug users and have no mental illness, but that group would have enough resources to get on their feet properly if those resources were not being used incorrectly on people that need addiction and mental health treatment.

 

[stopcrazypp]

Ferry Building to Presidio of San Francisco

www.google.com

That's a google maps view of your route.

Google Maps

Find local businesses, view maps and get driving directions in Google Maps.

www.google.com

That's street view literally at the end of the ferry building at the start, showing some homeless shelter/tents just off to the left across the street.
Like- literally at the START of the route you claimed you saw none on.

Google Maps

Find local businesses, view maps and get driving directions in Google Maps.

www.google.com

That's like 2 blocks down the street- homeless tent on the left side.

Google Maps

Find local businesses, view maps and get driving directions in Google Maps.

www.google.com

Another couple blocks there's a homeless person pushing their belonging in a big cart on the right

Google Maps

Find local businesses, view maps and get driving directions in Google Maps.

www.google.com

Several blocks later, this one I zoomed across the street to get you a nice closeup of the homeless person and the mattress on the ground

Mind you- we've gone less than 0.5 miles on the >4 mile route you claim you travelled without seeing any so far...

Google Maps

Find local businesses, view maps and get driving directions in Google Maps.

www.google.com

Another block down, more homeless (green tarp covering on left side of street)

Anyway, let's jump ahead to the next major street you've had gone down:

Google Maps

Find local businesses, view maps and get driving directions in Google Maps.

www.google.com

Looking to the right we've got one homeless person just past the light with a bit of luggage laying on the sidewalk...and across the street on the left another huddled down in the entry to a building

Google Maps

Find local businesses, view maps and get driving directions in Google Maps.

www.google.com

Multiple homeless in tents under the awnings of weirdly a Hyatt hotel


I'm already north of half a dozen examples of homeless on your route, and haven't even travelled half the route yet.

And that's in what's probably the LEAST populated by homeless part of the city (since nobody without real shelter would want to sleep directly next to the bay and the cold/wet winds)

If you'd bothered going a few blocks INTO the city it gets a lot worse.

Here's an SF government website where people file requests to have homeless camps cleared out:

San Francisco 311

San Francisco 311 powered by Spot Reporters

mobile311.sfgov.org

10 requests per page, and even on page 19 there's 3/10 still listed as open

Google maps does not necessarily have the most updated view of the city. There are definitely neighborhoods where you won't see homeless and SF does clear encampments if you report them.

Edit: and as others mentioned if you want to look for them, it's trivial also, just go to the Tenderloin. They also tend to encamp near the highway underpasses, but I've seen them come and go near those areas as the city does clear out encampments.

 

[thx1139]

And yet that SAME special counsel concluded that there was no collusion with Russia:

Mueller finds no collusion with Russia, leaves obstruction question open

Special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation did not find sufficient evidence that President Donald Trump’s campaign coordinated with Russia to influence the United States’ 2016 election and did not take a clear position on whether Trump obstructed justice.

www.americanbar.org

Not no collusion, no conspiracy since collusion isnt a crime. Now I include page 10 of volume 1 of Mueller report which explains why not enough evidence. Not no evidence, but not enough. Also you are aware that the reason obstruction is a crime is because it blocks the gathering of evidence.
Some key information in this page.

• Some individuals plead the 5th
• Individuals gave false or incomplete statements. Some of who were charged with crimes.
• Members of Trump Campaign deleted relevant communications or use communication apps that were encrypted or automatically deleted communications.
  
  

As for Steele dossier. Show links to claims that have been proven false. Some proven true, some uncorroborated, but none proven false.