I wish Tesla would have used a Porsche outline or something really popular.
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Model 3 Highland Performance/Plaid Speculation [Car announced 04.23.2024]
- Thread starter Daniel L
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There has to be a Ludicrous Mode purchase option for this car to get it to around 2.6 0 to 60. They did it with the P90D etc... Yes bigger battery but also a heavier car. Otherwise the sticker on the back is pointless.
gottagofast
2022 Model 3 Performance
I don’t use the brakes much anyway, probably won’t need to replace them for long time if ever
How much though?
On my last car brake pads were like 100$ per wheel 400 total
Sweed269
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18650 has a higher amp draw then the 21700.
It's already stupid fast and the battery is already at its limit. Both from amp draw and thermals.
Slightly faster is all that can be expected. I hope they spent some time making the suspension better as there are real word gain there with almost no downsides.
I talked with one of the engineers on the 4680 project and he said it might match but would never exceed the thermals or amp C rating of the smaller batteries.
It should match the density through and be cheaper overall to build into a pack.
It's already stupid fast and the battery is already at its limit. Both from amp draw and thermals.
Slightly faster is all that can be expected. I hope they spent some time making the suspension better as there are real word gain there with almost no downsides.
I talked with one of the engineers on the 4680 project and he said it might match but would never exceed the thermals or amp C rating of the smaller batteries.
It should match the density through and be cheaper overall to build into a pack.
gottagofast
2022 Model 3 Performance
The new 4680 battery is even slower than the 2170 isn’t it? Kinda hoping model 3 never gets it
Sweed269
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gottagofast
2022 Model 3 Performance
Not anymore, no. Made a name for himself as a teenager finding a source within Apple to leak new product info way ahead of others (working for Bloomberg now). I don't think Tesla would want him near any of their employees so it's not surprising to see him get cold shouldered.
Maybe for the next generation Model 3. Chassis redesign with castings, 100kWh structural pack, aluminum subframes and suspension.
Something I'd really like to see is the Performance get additional welds/adhesive/stiffeners similar to the way BMW and others do their sport models.
The Model 3 is weak in the rear deck area and I added structural adhesive to fix a chassis creak on my 22 3P. I examined a Highland closely and it had the same 'defects' in that area as my car and probably a lot of others.
Cost, lifespan, assembly time. Sure we'd all love a Model 3 Ludicrous with 4,416 Moli P50B cells, but how many would actually shell out the extra cash for such an insane battery pack?
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Because power density and energy density are always in competition.
Power = accleleration
Energy = range
Tesla does better if they can maximize range, and larger cells with less support material is better for that, but worse for thermal and power management at high power.
For instance, the Corvette E-Ray uses something like a 1.5kWh pack, but it can discharge 200HP+.
The trade is that it weighs 300 lbs, so if you made a 80kWh Model 3 using it, the battery would weigh more than our whole cars.
I'm more interested in the weight, bucket seats, and acceleration beyond 60mph. Those are all things that actually matter for performance on a track or in a motorsports setting and where the current model struggles.
I'm speculating 2.9 to 60 and 10.9 quarter mile at 125mph.
I'm speculating 2.9 to 60 and 10.9 quarter mile at 125mph.
gottagofast
2022 Model 3 Performance
Sweed269
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Pick your poison.
Energy density or power density. Added Longevity hits both power and energy.
It's a balancing act and the bigger battery is easier/cheaper to build into a pack.
Price per performance of the model 3/y is crazy good. It's also the performance envelope that most people use.
The step up to a limited expensive battery for more performance is a move into Porsche territory and their battery longevity is questionable in my opinion.
Tesla is giving us a killer car at a very competitive price point. Others need to fill in the more premium segments at significant extra cost.
Looks like the E-Ray has 1.9 kWh and it outputs 160 HP. The battery pack does weigh a lot though.
Model S Plaid already runs 7C out of 100kWh of 18650 cells. Which means Model 3 with same cells could run 770 HP / 575 kW.
Yes, we had this discussion 3 months ago:
Model 3 Highland Performance/Plaid Speculation
Acceleration drops at that point for every car. No street car maintains constant torque above 50-60 mph. Name another sub $40k car that can run 95+ mph in the 1/8. If you put it in Track Mode it struggles with straight line acceleration. If you heat the battery it doesn’t. It is kind of like...
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Ioniq 5N weighs 4,850 lbs(2,200 KG) just in case anyone thought it was going to be lighter than that. Model 3 Ludicrous doesn’t need anywhere near the HP that the Ioniq 5N needs.
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