According to the Toyota website, MSRP for a loaded Camry XLE V6 with Nav and Driver Assist is $36,935.
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According to the Toyota website, MSRP for a loaded Camry XLE V6 with Nav and Driver Assist is $36,935.
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Sg911
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The awd Model3 is about as fast as a new BMW 340i, and the 3P for $10k more is as fast , if not faster than a BMW M3 at $80’s, and for $15k less ( my build is $67k not including rebates) - So I think anyone that would look at a BMW M3 or AMG , is a no brainer for the M3P !! lJust had my test drive today with both the RWD and P3D+
TLR - Great car, much better than 2016 Camry, worth $30,000 upgrade, P3D+ is fast, but not worth the premium price unless you want that M3 beater experience.
Test drove the RWD first, Aero wheels + White exterior, just how I would order it. Great car, super response and nimble. I'm comparing this to my daily driver (2016 Toyota Camry SE w/ upgrades across the board, out the door $26k). Road noise is lower in the model 3, but not significantly so. The ride was smoother than the Camry, though I would probably go with UP strings to soften it a bit. Acceleration is night and day obviously. Super comfortable seats in comparison. Glass roof was nice, don't think extra tint is necessary on the roof, but will probably tint it anyhow. Much more storage space, the model 3 is roughly the same size at my Camry, probably a tad wider, but fantastic overall. The right stalk button was getting kinda loose, something to make note of. The center console, my god did it have so many scratches and fingerprints. Wrap that immediately if you get the car. I got used to the center display within a minute or so. Still would like a HUD. The roof liner was kind of a downer to me. I did notice the interior of the car to be kind of lacking for a 55k+ vehicle. Most notably the roof liner, it felt about the same as the one in my Camry. I do wish it came in black.
P3D+ was wicked, felt the springs and the Michelin 4s tires made a significant difference. 0-60 in 3.5 was rapid and satisfying. White seats while great, I do not find it worth the $1500 upgrade + the AWD requirement just to play. Black components + white seats + beige roof liner just does not fly with me. Spoiler was nice, understated, not significant. Badge was simple, but I'd leave it off. The ride was soft, but it was probably because of the low psi (36). The P3D+ just isn't worth the extra cash unless you need to go fast. Everything else about the physical car is too similar to a basic 35k model 3 to warrant that $50,000.
Personally, I'd just get AWD +keep the black seats + Michelin 4S tires, and lowering springs and call it a day.
all These acronymns....
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sreams
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jelloslug
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Jigglypuff
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Model 3 suspension is a good equivalent of 340i suspension, but it's not as hard edge capable as the M3. The interior of a premium BMW is also way ahead of the Model 3.
Simply being an EV is the great difference. Then comes performance. If you're likely to go over 100, the ICE cars win. In normal human driving the Tesla wins.
Simply being an EV is the great difference. Then comes performance. If you're likely to go over 100, the ICE cars win. In normal human driving the Tesla wins.
chronopc
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I drove a 430i for about a week and man did it make me miss the Model 3.
Santa Claws
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Test drove a P3D+ a few weeks back and the closest analogy I could come up with is being cryogenically frozen for 20 years and then waking up to the cars of that time... What a game changer. I left that test drive dumbfounded.
T34ME
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sreams
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More specifically... a Camry SE (which is what the poster I was replying to was talking about). I just configured one on the Toyota website. With every option it was about $30K.
sreams
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Well... if the P3D actually does beat an M3 on the track (as claimed by Elon), then you will have been proven wrong (when it comes to suspension).
Yup, It's the one pro of the dealership business model, I was able to negotiate down which for better and for worse unavailable for Tesla.
Jigglypuff
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I've only driven a Model 3 once, but I don't miss it.
If you think a Tesla is all that eco friendly, you're buying into a con. Sure, it's better than a Hummer, but it's not going to be better than Prius unless your power is pure renewable and you drive 300k miles.
As claimed by Elon? Snort. I have no doubt that a Model 3 can be made to be very, very fast around a track. I just don't think the current Model 3 performance performance version is going to be all that close. Even if you discount the suspension difference, the Model 3 just doesn't have the high-speed power of an ICE.
It's not like I hated the Model 3. I just wasn't blown away. The Model X and Model S P100Ds are far more impressive vehicles.
T34ME
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Actually, all my power is renewable through my roof-top PV system. thank you. And I produce more to the grid than I use.
Initially, a BEV does require more energy for battery production through residual sources. But you have your numbers wrong. The BEV reaches energy consumption parity with the ICE car after less than 10K miles. At that point, whether driving a Bummer or a Pius, you are part of the problem not part of the solution.
chronopc
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How is a Tesla not more eco friendly than a Prius? A Prius uses gas, a Tesla uses no gas. And before you try to say that electricity is dirty, it's not. In California more than 70% of our electricity comes from renewable sources.
No one is saying that the Model 3 is better than an X or S. But you have to take into account price. The Model 3 is half the price of the X or S and there's not a single car in the market right now that can compete with the Model 3 on all levels.
chronopc
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This guy seems to be doing just fine with the LR Model 3. The Performance Model 3 has better breaks, suspensions and speed and should do even better. The only thing an ICE vehicle has on an electric vehicle is potentially top speed, but on a track acceleration is much more important.
sreams
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That's why I said "if". Let's wait and see what happens. It's pretty much a given that a P3D will be consistently faster around a track than the S/X you prefer, so I guess it comes down to what is important to people.
Actually, what happened was that you WERE 20 years in the future, but you accelerated so quickly that time started running backwards for you. Now, you're stuck here in early 21st century, sorry about that. At least you have experienced the best technology we have to offer.
“Terrible design”...nah...Another example of different strokes for different folks.
In my ~two months of ownership I’ve adjusted the vents maybe 2-3 times....1x in the last month (i.e. since I got the placement right). In the same period I’ve adjusted the side mirrors 2 times and 0 times in the last month.
As an aside, in the car the Model 3 replaced, I adjusted the mirrors maybe 2x a year. I probably adjusted the vents much more than that each month trying to get things just right. I find the Model 3 vent implementation awesome....set it and forget it. For some reason, the temperature variability and air flow is just right regardless of the weather outside.
For what it’s worth, I have 4K miles on the car with rides as short as 3 miles and multiple ~280 mile trips.
