Well, I think it would work better with 8 engineers.
If it was 8 engineers Model S should butter your toast via software update by now.
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Well, I think it would work better with 8 engineers.
If it was 8 engineers Model S should butter your toast via software update by now.
At this point I'd settle for one engineer, working part time....Well, I think it would work better with 8 engineers.
If the best you can say about Tesla is "they're the only choice" that doesn't bode well for the future. I agree it's taking forever for anyone else to catch up, but you can't count on Tesla being the only ones forever.Nothing is forever. [emoji6] Yes if there was such a competitor I'm sure it would sell well.
But not only is there not one now, there is no sign that there will be one for years. Audi, the champion of EV press releases, has announced the Q6 for 2018 but said nothing about a charging network. 2019 Audi Q6 Car and Driver The German manufacturers assume that governments will build the charging networks. That might happen in Germany (and any such network is unlikely to be as effective as Teslas) but it won't happen in the US or in many other countries. I don't see any competing EV in Tesla's price class selling well without having a charging network comparable to the Supercharger network.
I think that the Q6 EV could potentially match the basic X features and very likely exceed it in some areas (except the Falcon Wings) but not come close to it in sales because of the lack of a useful high speed charging network. And I bet it won't be any cheaper, base model Q6 to base model X. It might even be more expensive because Audi will be paying more for batteries.
So while I welcome the Q6, it will not be the complete package that the X is now.
Having worked at Digital Equipment Corp, Polaroid, and Wang Labs, this is REALLY true!<snip>
If the best you can say about Tesla is "they're the only choice" that doesn't bode well for the future. I agree it's taking forever for anyone else to catch up, but you can't count on Tesla being the only ones forever.
At this point I'd settle for one engineer, working part time....
Since I am a totally ignorant fool and naive as a newborn when it comes to writing the computer programs for these half-baked situations:
Just how much work does it take to write these commands? Is the program 14,984,875,356 lines of commands long? If the program were to be printed out, would it take ten million reams of 8 1/2x11 paper? Are there diagnostic programs available to check for errors in the original program? Are these programs written in uncommon and specialty languages that only a handful of people know?
I am not trying to be snarky here; please do not infer otherwise. I do not understand the computer program industry. I do not understand the ethical and moral obligations that computer programmers and their companies have to the public. I do not understand the difference between the quality standards of conventional tangible consumer goods like clothing, food, household appliances, etc. and their counterparts in the intangible computer programs and software business.
Is it too much to ask that a "finished product" should function as intended, whether it is tangible like a refrigerator or intangible like a computer program?
I'll fix stuff for free in my spare time and send them a patch. I have a list of annoyances that are entirely trivial to fix. Give me access to the code.
Completely agree.
My favorite word I used to use with my mgrs and HIPO across my team I spoke with one-on-one, is something I learned from a mentor of mine very early in my career: BALANCE.
As much as I really do love my MS and what it stands for in our future potential, that is what seems to have been lost with Elon and Tesla in recent times. There is so much focus on the future, delivering various beta code and new capabilities, then moving on to the next big idea before the last one was perfected enough in the eyes of the real Customers that own and drive their MS every day. We want those future capabilities, but also Tesla, PLEASE, pull back just a bit and continually deliver against the little things owners use many times every day that won't detract, and only add to the joy and satisfaction owning a Tesla brings to each of us.
I agree with most of that. If you allow 3rd-party apps on the center console, you should consider the console compromised. At the same time, the console controls a number of important systems. From what we've seen Tesla did a good job of securing the critical systems and segregating them from the console, but it has access to enough control operations to pose a risk. I assumed they'd open things up to a few select firms as partners, rather than providing wide-spread 3rd-party access.
So expecting Tesla to open source anything that runs in the car or allow random programmers to provide software updates - will likely never happen.
3 - work with a 3rd party (Apple, Android, Bosch, QNX, ...) to provide complete smartphone integration
I mean, other than the fact they were already doing it that way by implementing services from select partners (and have continued to do so, adding Spotify recently)? I don't know if it's particularly unrealistic, either, given it's how the other automakers are handling their in-car native app ecosystems.I don't see the business model in this. It sounds more idealistic than realistic.
The recently-stated approach of allowing iOS and Android devices to project onto the screen sounds more promising (and practical) to me.
IMHO, as a guy that used to do software programming, and setup and ran large remote technical support centers to work between customers and our hardware/software divisions, your expectation is not off-base. As to how much work it is, people here can only speculate since all the code is proprietary to Tesla. I would offer that since it's all Tesla code (unlike the challenges nearly every other auto mfgr has using a bunch of 3rd party components they have to cobble together), it is something Tesla could accomplish if they were to prioritize it.
I personally think it's not on Elon and Tesla's radar in-part because there hasn't been the same sort of "noise in the system" from a smaller number of earlier owners, or growing cost e.g. incurred by SCs having to fix and replace hardware that forces their hand to re-engineer something (early windshields, door handles, 12V, etc.). It's why I took the personal time to both document and report each failure I have encountered to my SC the last time I was there, and plan to continue doing so, along with my writing a business-like letter to Tesla Customer Support to formally document my concern with a specific list of unresolved software problems and basic functional deficiencies. I personally hope everyone does the same, and do not only vocalize on forums like TMC to help their and other enthusiast's soul. Volumes of real customers, with examples how the problems impact them, voicing their concern directly to Tesla will make a difference in the end -- at least it will with companies that have those operational processes in place that ultimately trigger executive visibility to growing customer dissatisfaction.
Navigation and phone connectivity have always worked perfectly and that's what I need 99% of the time for my daily driving.I drove my year old Mercedes with its Comand system to my test drive. The difference was unbelievable. Mercedes is so far behind its laughable. If Tesla's worst is that much better than Mercedes, I can't wait to see their best!
Navigation and phone connectivity have always worked perfectly and that's what I need 99% of the time for my daily driving.
At least from my POV, I do not, and have never suggested mgmt changes. We need a visionary, and I for one greatly appreciate what Elon has and will likely do. Some of us owners are suggesting as Tesla approaches maturity, they must demonstrate a much higher level of operational excellence at the same time they move the world into the future. THAT is the issue -- not doing enough of both at the same time.This thread cracks me up. Is anyone in this thread that is proposing management changes at Tesla a qualified visionary who has shown up all their competition with a truly disruptive product?
Anyone able to state the last year a successful car company was started? With a completely different method of propulsion?
I drove my year old Mercedes with its Comand system to my test drive. The difference was unbelievable. Mercedes is so far behind its laughable. If Tesla's worst is that much better than Mercedes, I can't wait to see their best!
PS: Nothing wrong with wanting them to do better. It's just the idea that we know better than some of the finest minds on the planet... There are open positions at Tesla.