I wonder if it's seeing another indicator or flashing light through the back window of the car. That is the only time I've seen it get that wrong so far.Yes I’ve seen this too but luckily I have a big windscreen to look out to see which way the car is really going
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Tesla Software updates - Australia
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Maybe, but I was at an intersection today and I was behind the only other car there and the visualisation for indicator was reversed. Maybe it’s a southern hemisphere thing and we are all upside down?
It's the Coriolis Effect. That's why we drive around roundabouts clockwise in the Southern Hemisphere...
I'm wondering this as well. Mine got an update to 2014.8.9 when I brought it home last week but I haven't seen an update since.
Same scenario here. And I’ve been obsessively refreshing once a day hoping it magically turns up.
It’s likely because the AI is trained on US data where their signal lights on their cars are red/orange instead of yellow here.
Looks like there's a 14.7 already going outTesla may have paused the 14.6 update
No, this is likely to do with LED based brake lights (and indicators). The camera shutter speed and the LED cycle time have a bad habit of interacting. Check out the following video:
The LED based lane open indicators and speed limit signs in the forward camera appear to be flashing. They are not flashing to the human eye because we can't detect anything that flashes quicker than about 1/60th of a second. Modern cars have LED based brake lights and indicators. A brake light might well be misinterpreted as an indicator under these circumstances.
Here's a really good example of an Alfa Romeo in the adjoining lane to the left (front camera) whose brake lights are flashing like mad to the camera and could easily be misinterpreted as indicators. There's another example (probably a Toyota Landcruiser?) towards the very end of the video showing the same effect:
This clearly shows that Tesla are yet to solve that *long* standing problem of persistence of LED lights!
This clearly shows that Tesla are yet to solve that *long* standing problem of persistence of LED lights!
Very scary example of how easy and quick it is to steal a modern vehicle via a relay attack.
This is precisely why Tesla introduced the check a few versions ago to see if your phone has moved before allowing bluetooth to activate the vehicle. If only the German makers could have done an OTA update to solve this issue...
This is precisely why Tesla introduced the check a few versions ago to see if your phone has moved before allowing bluetooth to activate the vehicle. If only the German makers could have done an OTA update to solve this issue...
I've had this a couple of times too. The funniest was when they were all in a "forward only" lane, but all indicating right on the displayDitto… although sometimes it shows a left indicator when the car is actually indicating right!
Most of the time it's correct for me, with the occasional glitch. I always see the visualisation as a bit of fun.There's a very nice recent attack using this: New Attack Against Self-Driving Car AI - Schneier on Security
It's called GhostStripe1 and GhostStripe2 if you're looking for other articles on it. Paper: https://tanrui.github.io/pub/GhostStripe-MobiSys.pdf
I'd say this kind of thing will always be a kind of arms race. Purely technically, it's an interesting area.
So the software version 2024.9.5 with the latest FSD v12.4 included is again out of sync and behind the base version 2024.14.* of the software. I hope V12.5 which is predicted to have Actualy Smart Summon and Banish will catch up with 2024.14 so that we EAP/FSD users in the rest of the world can get it
Tesla Releases FSD v12.4: New Vision Attention Monitoring, Improved Strike System With Update 2024.9.5
Tesla has released FSD v12.4 to employees with a new vision-based cabin monitoring system.
www.notateslaapp.com
Just back from a 1200km drive. A few more observations:
- Model S didn't only not get the speed camera warnings, it also didn't get the average speed camera function. That's not a sensor or HW platform dependent feature. WTF?
- It still thinks trucks with two red lights up high on the trailer at night are approaching stoplights. While on the motorway.
- It still randomly slows down for trucks when passing them at speed on the motorway
- After passing a truck and pulling back into the left lane I had a massive phantom brake trigger (nighttime), essentially brake checking a b-double. Don't blame him for thinking I'm an asshole - EAP definitely qualifies as such now and I passed it on. This has never happened before.
- I had two major autosteer glitches today where the car was going to swap into the oncoming lane. First time this happened since 2020.
- While navigating towards Gundagai for a charge, that charger went into maintenance mode today. That freaked out the nav and it tried to navigate me to Holbrook (opposite way of where I was going back to Sydney), disregarding the fact that there's also an NRMA charger at Gundagai. The navigation didn't stop recalculating either - as soon as it had me routed through Holbrook, it tried Gundagai again, then Holbrook again... until adult supervision stopped the nonsense and I manually navigated to Gundagai. Which worked fine by the time I was there.
So all we early adopters got with the big 2024.14.x updates are more visualisations and a downgrade from 5 strikes to 3 strikes til EAP lockout if a defeat device is detected.
- Model S didn't only not get the speed camera warnings, it also didn't get the average speed camera function. That's not a sensor or HW platform dependent feature. WTF?
- It still thinks trucks with two red lights up high on the trailer at night are approaching stoplights. While on the motorway.
- It still randomly slows down for trucks when passing them at speed on the motorway
- After passing a truck and pulling back into the left lane I had a massive phantom brake trigger (nighttime), essentially brake checking a b-double. Don't blame him for thinking I'm an asshole - EAP definitely qualifies as such now and I passed it on. This has never happened before.
- I had two major autosteer glitches today where the car was going to swap into the oncoming lane. First time this happened since 2020.
- While navigating towards Gundagai for a charge, that charger went into maintenance mode today. That freaked out the nav and it tried to navigate me to Holbrook (opposite way of where I was going back to Sydney), disregarding the fact that there's also an NRMA charger at Gundagai. The navigation didn't stop recalculating either - as soon as it had me routed through Holbrook, it tried Gundagai again, then Holbrook again... until adult supervision stopped the nonsense and I manually navigated to Gundagai. Which worked fine by the time I was there.
So all we early adopters got with the big 2024.14.x updates are more visualisations and a downgrade from 5 strikes to 3 strikes til EAP lockout if a defeat device is detected.
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