texas_star_TM3
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can anyone - seriously - argue that the Cybertruck in terms of specs/features/comfort/build quality is a $80k+ truck?
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Musk’s “statement” on Bob Iger on national TV was one of the most stunning and appalling things I’ve ever seen.Maybe Musk can keep his mouth shut and stop making an ass of himself and his companies.
The Blazer? The world's most unreliable software cluster---? Superior competitive option to the Model Y?It's a sign that EV growth is slowing, and more competition is entering the marketplace. It's not "the end", Tesla is here to stay. They have to manage their production to fit demand, which they'll do. They should update their interior and features to match their competitors, which they may not do. The Blazer and Mustang are currently superior competitive options to the Model Y, IMO.
The EV market is limited. You have to have overnight charging capacity at home, which apartment dwellers don't have. The range has to fit your use, which is less of an issue now, and it has to fit your budget. That said, EV's are also here to stay. They just have to fit your household's requirements.
I'm a fan of Tesla and Elon. It's good to see someone with his influence standing up for some core Constitutional principles. I'd just like Tesla to update their interior and options. The neutered minimalist cost cutting approach doesn't work for me, and most normal car buyers.
can anyone - seriously - argue that the Cybertruck in terms of specs/features/comfort/build quality is a $80k+ truck?
The Blazer? The world's most unreliable software cluster---? Superior competitive option to the Model Y?
Here's the problem when you're posting absolute nonsense like that: it tends to throw massive shade on any other point that you might make that could be more realistic. I've driven both the Mustang Mach-e and someone in our family owns a performance Tesla Model Y. They're not even in the same universe.
can anyone - seriously - argue that the Cybertruck in terms of specs/features/comfort/build quality is a $80k+ truck?
hands down. having driven both. and the Mach E comes with USS parking sensors and a 2 (!) functioning radars for TACC / lane keep assist. So no "phantom braking" or the car going into "guessing mode" on hot days on empty highways .... interior build quality noticeably nicer, quieter and better suspension.You’re right, the Mach-E is the better drivers car.
When will you all learn that software only matters so much. Tesla needs to evolve into making better driving cars.
And yet Tesla still outsells every legacy automakers EVs outside of China (maybe). Wonder why? Just because of your opinion?hands down. having driven both. and the Mach E comes with USS parking sensors and a 2 (!) functioning radars for TACC / lane keep assist. So no "phantom braking" or the car going into "guessing mode" on hot days on empty highways .... interior build quality noticeably nicer, quieter and better suspension.
past performance is not predicitive of future performance ...And yet Tesla still outsells every legacy automakers EVs outside of China (maybe). Wonder why? Just because of your opinion?
Glad you like yours I disagree that the Mustang is the better driver's car. If you like mushy ride, poor range, and uninspiring performance if you want good range, it's definitely the pick. But if you like lots of buttons, funky if not just plain miserable charging experience, and of course Ford's famous quality control and what Sandy Munro calls absolutely baffling design decisions, again the Mustang is your pick.You’re right, the Mach-E is the better drivers car.
When will you all learn that software only matters so much. Tesla needs to evolve into making better driving cars.
Software is the #1 differentiator and quality consideration in a modern car. I don't care how well a car drives if the UI/UX is a slow, buggy, impossible to deal with mess. It has the ability to ruin literally everything else.When will you all learn that software only matters so much.
The Mach E went on sale Dec 2020, and Ford dealers are discounting them heavily to get rid of them. But you expect the Mach E to outsell the Model Y in the future?past performance is not predicitive of future performance ...
With due respect to some of our friends who feel otherwise, I think this is the fundamental philosophical difference between a "Detroit car" and a "Silicon Valley car"; in my opinion Teslas exemplify the latter.Software is the #1 differentiator and quality consideration in a modern car. I don't care how well a car drives if the UI/UX is a slow, buggy, impossible to deal with mess. It has the ability to ruin literally everything else.
more likely than L5 robotaxis in the future ... (which has been ~2weeks in Elon speak for years)The Mach E went on sale Dec 2020, and Ford dealers are discounting them heavily to get rid of them. But you expect the Mach E to outsell the Model Y in the future?
hard disagree. I enjoy my 2019 Model 3 but would gladly accept slight delays when route planning or a buggy UI at times for a smoother suspension and less road noise while also having a more premium cabin feel....Software is the #1 differentiator and quality consideration in a modern car. I don't care how well a car drives if the UI/UX is a slow, buggy, impossible to deal with mess. It has the ability to ruin literally everything else.
How would you feel if the infotainment system crashed daily?hard disagree. I enjoy my 2019 Model 3 but would gladly accept slight delays when route planning or a buggy UI at times for a smoother suspension and less road noise while also having a more premium cabin feel....
i feel like the model 3 highlander probably drives better than the legacy model 3's and is probably closer to the mach e drive experienceHow would you feel if the infotainment system crashed daily?
What if your phone key or fob only worked ~50% of the time on the first try?
Car refused to wake up or go into gear without a multi-minute delay?
Audio system and/or Bluetooth are regularly completely non-responsive?
Incessant false alarms, alerts, or error messages?
Cameras fail to work for backing up or rendering external visualizations?
I’m not talking occasional slowness or niggles. Surely every car exhibits those to some degree. But the examples above are all real and an all too typical experience in a current EV from a legacy automaker.
No amount of comfortable suspension, reduced road noise, or Corinthian leather is going to make me tolerate that in a car for long. That’s what I mean by poor software can ruin literally everything else. It HAS to be at least “good enough.”
And yet Tesla still outsells every legacy automakers EVs outside of China (maybe). Wonder why? Just because of your opinion?
i feel like the model 3 highlander probably drives better than the legacy model 3's and is probably closer to the mach e drive experience
i rented a mach e for a week and while it drove great... the software was terrible and the cabin feels cramped... its like they couldnt decide if they wanted to actually make a mustang or a ford edge so they got the worst of both worlds