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Entire Supercharging Team Fired?

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News yesterday is that the entire 500+ person word-wide SC team has been let go. That is alarming. Why would Elon sack the execs and all the employees of this important part of Tesla's business? Could Tesla be selling the SC network off to a third party? Opinions? Other theories?

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Again, based on a tip from a professional auditor and exec (not related to Tesla), this is not a unique pattern of events for a corporation.

I am talking about patterns and historical examples, that's it.
Care to share any common examples of a company firing everyone in a division then re-hiring some back as a way to clean up a dirty division, rather than just firing the ones that are dirty? There should be a lot, right?

What does your professional auditor friend say about the highly reported story that Elon told Tinucci that it was 20% or everyone? That has to be 100% a made up cover story if your theory is true, since you would have been planning on firing everyone anyway. Given Elon's history of calling out anyone that he perceives as doing him wrong, why is he taking the blame in public for a huge mis-step here instead of telling everyone that he's cleaning up a dirty division?
 
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Why is using the same pins for ac and dc a safety issue?
If multiple, redundant safety interlocks in both the vehicle and supply equipment failed, 400 or 800 volts DC could backfeed into the AC supply resulting in damage to other devices connected to the grid and/or fire.

The chances of this happening are greater than zero, but not much - for all practical purposes, it is nearly impossible for this to happen.

Tesla published a document containing a safety analysis on this topic.
 
Care to share any common examples of a company firing everyone in a division then re-hiring some back as a way to clean up a dirty division, rather than just firing the ones that are dirty? There should be a lot, right?

What does your professional auditor friend say about the highly reported story that Elon told Tinucci that it was 20% or everyone? That has to be 100% a made up cover story if your theory is true, since you would have been planning on firing everyone anyway. Given Elon's history of calling out anyone that he perceives as doing him wrong, why is he taking the blame in public for a huge mis-step here instead of telling everyone that he's cleaning up a dirty division?
No one said there should be a lot of examples. Moreover, it is unlikely anyone finds much official information on this because, if exposed, this all but guaranteed to lead to a federal investigation.

I also agree that salivating on the cool stories that Elon Musk is real Jean-Baptiste Emanuel Zorg is absolutely fun. 😋
 
Here is a report from someone that knew a Supercharger team member:

It seems like the division manager tried to call Elon's bluff, and he wasn't bluffing. I get that Elon could have handled it differently, but so should have the division manager. She went all in with the jobs of her team, and lost them all. (It seems like she tried to save ~20 people's job, and instead caused 500 to be let go.)
You can't be serious with this take.

This is the equivalent of a teacher saying "who wrote this on the board" and nobody in the class knows except the person who did it. They refuse to own up, and the entire class gets detention. This happened to me 35 years ago and I've never forgotten how unjust it was.

If this story was true there was one person trying to save a percentage of jobs and, as punishment, Musk destroyed all of them.

It shows idiotic leadership in the extreme, but given it's musk it is somewhat believable.
 
You can't be serious with this take.

This is the equivalent of a teacher saying "who wrote this on the board" and nobody in the class knows except the person who did it. They refuse to own up, and the entire class gets detention. This happened to me 35 years ago and I've never forgotten how unjust it was.

If this story was true there was one person trying to save a percentage of jobs and, as punishment, Musk destroyed all of them.

It shows idiotic leadership in the extreme, but given it's musk it is somewhat believable.
or a lot of stories are made up by people 35 years younger than you.

Also, considering how much truth comes from corporate executives and the board members (hint: near zilch) about internal personal matters, we can conclude that everything that someone tells s/he heard from someone who supposedly worked for Tesla and heard from someone close to some exec that Elon Musk is Jean-Baptiste Emanuel Zorg then he surely is. 😂
 
Moreover, it is unlikely anyone finds much official information on this because, if exposed, this all but guaranteed to lead to a federal investigation.
Got it. So what happens all the time in corporate America is that there are divisions with a few people taking kickbacks, this is a massive federal crime, so the company fires every single person in that division in order to avoid that federal investigation, then hires back some of the people once they figure out who was not dirty. Part of this is coming up with a cover story that you stick by where you have layoffs for the whole company, and play a game of chicken with a director at your company, because that is better for your company than letting a few people be "federally investigated" for something that isn't a federal crime unless it has some very specific, narrow conditions.

This is a well known tale if you're both an auditor and executive, so well known that when you see it happen from the outside you know exactly what is going on, yet there is zero public evidence of this happening at even one company, despite tens of thousands of people being involved and fired over the years. If this really is a massive federal crime, this is all a cover up as well, which is another crime, but that's always been avoided too.

This clearly applies well to Elon, who has never backed down from a federal investigation and loves to keep things secret, especially when people wrong him or Tesla. The person literally arguing he should still get his $55B after a judge ruled this invalid because of self-dealing inside Tesla between Elon and the board, but he believes that's OK and immaterial.

Nothing about your theory (sorry, your "friend's") theory passes any kind of logical sniff test.
 
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Fun Elon news: Tesla is advertising to get shareholders to approve the compensation package:

Elon, who hates advertising, and so clearly deserves his massive compensation package (sorry, I won't call it "pay," clearly he gets paid zero dollars).
 
Why is using the same pins for ac and dc a safety issue?
Good question. From an engineering and functional safety standpoint you have to think about what happens when things don’t go to plan due to a component failure, sw bug, or communication issue.

For the CCS plug where the DC pins are separate from the AC pins you KNOW the electricity sent through the pins is either AC or DC as they can’t be switched without some major and very unlikely failures.

If you use the same pins for AC and DC you rely on charger communication, software and hardware to work together to make the right choice and act appropriately. There is just more opportunity for things to go wrong. For V2G its more of an issue because you are relying on more 3rd party stuff to correctly request and receive the correct format.

This is oversimplified but hopefully helps explain some of the criticism for the arrangement. If people really can’t use a CCS connector because its too bulky and the NACS connector helps EV adoption in NA then I suppose its the right thing to do despite concerns!
 
For the CCS plug where the DC pins are separate from the AC pins you KNOW the electricity sent through the pins is either AC or DC as they can’t be switched without some major and very unlikely failures.
The energy always has to end up at the battery in DC form and go through a bunch of safeties, all of which apply to combined or separate pins. This is effectively identical in combined or separate pin configurations

For instance, the CCS port doesn't have 400V DC on it until it communicates with the charger over the J1772 pins, and only then does it close the contactors. You'd call a hot plug dangerous, right?

And of course, if a car mis-communicates with the DCFC, it can set the whole car on fire by requesting 800A at 800V when the car has a 300V architecture, no matter what pins exist.

The idea that the car having one extra contactor that routes the pin energy to either the onboard charger or direct to the battery is somehow a big safety issue is just immaterial against all the safety critical stuff that has to be there no matter what. It's not even clear there is additional work here as the same contactor used to turn off DC in CCS can be used to switch between direct DC and the AC input to the charger in NACS.
 
Good question. From an engineering and functional safety standpoint you have to think about what happens when things don’t go to plan due to a component failure, sw bug, or communication issue.

For the CCS plug where the DC pins are separate from the AC pins you KNOW the electricity sent through the pins is either AC or DC as they can’t be switched without some major and very unlikely failures.

If you use the same pins for AC and DC you rely on charger communication, software and hardware to work together to make the right choice and act appropriately. There is just more opportunity for things to go wrong. For V2G its more of an issue because you are relying on more 3rd party stuff to correctly request and receive the correct format.

This is oversimplified but hopefully helps explain some of the criticism for the arrangement. If people really can’t use a CCS connector because its too bulky and the NACS connector helps EV adoption in NA then I suppose its the right thing to do despite concerns!
The Tesla documents shows the wiring diagram.

The OBC is always connected to the power pins, so a failure mode where there is external DC when the car is still in AC mode has no issues.

The only failure mode that is an issue is if the fast charge contactors are closed while the car is connected to an energized EVSE. That would require a failure of not only safety checks on the Tesla (of which there are many for this specific failure, which are independent of the charging protocol; it's detailed in the document), but also on the EVSE. Practically every EVSE has overcurrent protection, so presuming the battery voltage is enough higher than the supply voltage to be a danger, it will either throw open a breaker or load switch or burn a fuse in the EVSE or the breaker the EVSE is connected to throws open. I'm not aware of any reported cases of this happening.

For the same failure on CCS, the safety risk are exposed live DC pins, which are a shock hazard. So you trade off a shock hazard vs an equipment hazard.

As for V2G/V2L, I don't really see why it makes a difference. You are still using the CCS protocol or if not you would be using a proprietary car specific protocol (as I believe the Ford solution uses and perhaps Tesla on the Cybertruck), so it works the same way software-wise. If you plug in a random third party protocol, the pins are never energized, given the handshake fails.

And as another pointed out, for general protocol failures where the fast charge contactor has failed closed, CCS isn't immune to safety hazards from that too (for example charger delivering more current than requested, or continuing to deliver current when the car is already fully charged). As in the Tesla, presumably the BMS would independently throw open the battery contactors in that case even if the fast charge contactors are stuck.
 
Apparently Musk wants to convince you of the same judging by his Twitter/X rants - one wonders why doesn’t he simply refute it instead of getting involved in childish attacks on the source. Maybe discrediting a source is one way to deal with inconvenient revelations?
100% pretty obvious strategy. if Elon thinks Reuter is incorrect - then refute it.