If this is highway driving, then it is my understanding that FSD still uses V11 on the highway.
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FSD v12.x (end to end AI)
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- #fixphantombraking autopilot chill is not chill elon is an ass fix fsd extreme late deceleration fsd does not commit to go fsd does not maintain proper speed fsd hard and late braking fsd has decision wobble fsd jerky driving fsd late deceleration fsd sometimes may not detect train crossings fsd stops too early too quickly fsd stops too far behind line fsd tailgating in city streets
stopcrazypp
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I don't think so. The motivation for cabin camera is likely just Elon not wanting his hands on the wheels (and people sharing the same thought), especially given multiple competitors having "hands off" systems.
For this particular one, in the absence of defeat devices, I don't think removing a nag dismissal method makes it safer, especially for cars that don't have cabin cameras anyways. Basically there would have been no need to do so, it was just an extra dismissal method.
The one hand hanging technique is probably very similar to the defeat device. The anecdotes is that method used to work flawlessly, but over the years it has become less reliable and there has to be a variation of the torque to satisfy the nag.
According to Whole Mars, V12 rollout paused to make adjustments to Auto Speed.
V11 did not have problems with wrong exit at those 2 exits. I drove on that freeway all the time. I only experienced V11 wrong exit when I was out of town.
Would be interesting to test if this is consistent when there's no other traffic around. These had multiple lead vehicles doing the rolling behavior. Perhaps end-to-end can dynamically adjust to patterns it sees others doing? Otherwise it could default to some "nobody is looking" pattern. Although the 10mph roll is for a yield-like curve, so I wouldn't be surprised if the full stop training data might not have as many examples to override the common pattern of slowing for yield in these cases.
hybridbear
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What makes you think that? I hadn't heard that before. But I also haven't closely followed the rollout of V12.
Seems like most reports and videos of 12.x have been from California, so it does seem like Tesla is biasing the rollout so far. Good to see 12.x going to vehicles in other states now, so hopefully your experience will be good for the rollout to expand to even more outside of California.
What are people experiencing that needs adjustments? It going too fast or slow? Problems on certain types of roads?
At least from TeslaFi and Teslascope numbers, after the initial ~4pm Pacific wave, there was another small push 6 hours later that increased the rollout by 60% (41 -> 66, 4 -> 7). That's where we still are now, so at least pending installs aren't revoked.
Knightshade
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AFAIK Cabin camera is because the EU passed a law requiring their use for driver attentiveness and Tesla didn't want to put a proper driver cam in the car so they wrote SW to repurpose the interior robotaxi monitor for this use.
PianoAl
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I just got 2023.44.30.20 8d5f887355fb on Nick (see sig). I seem to get releases early, perhaps since I often send disengagement reports(?).
I think the jerks were because of the unusual road conditions. No approaching vehicles. The right side is about 90 degrees and usually blocked by parked cars. The left side almost immediately curves right and distance views also blocked by cars parked both on the left and on the right. The T stop is facing a long low wall of a playing field with a banner. (W 230th St > Greenwood Ave, Torrance CA). I usually have to check both sides and take the turn slowly.
Oh, well in that case, most others probably will be fine just pressing the accelerator in the meantime. It'll be interesting to see how 12.x behaves with these types of speed interventions as does end-to-end realize there's additional acceleration to adjust steering?
I've sometimes continued driving with 11.x big "take over immediately" by pressing the accelerator while FSD Beta was still adjusting the steering wheel, and these were pretty smooth experiences other than the loud beeping.
In one of Omar's videos, @Mardak spotted a transition during a lane change when entering a highway. The speed indicator was on auto (a V12 setting) and the car started the lane change. Halfway through the lane change, the speed indicator switched to a number and the car stopped the lane change to move back into the original lane. It certainly looked like a change of mode. It's assumed that it is a change from V12 to V11.
I believe people have also observed that the visualization update rate is slower on secondary roads than it is on highways. The theory there is that secondary roads rely on V12 for control, but V11 for the bulk of the visualization, while highways rely exclusively on V11.
Which build were you on before? Ive been stuck on 30.8 forever it feels like and given how much I use FSD and send reports would hope that might bode well for me getting the new one
Most Teslas are in California, which could explain the apparent bias.
Blucenturion
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First drive version 12.2.1. Upon activation my car took off like a scalded cat on my street and we shortly thereafter joined the freeway with no problems for 5 miles, negotiated a roundabout smoothly, almost like a human, and proceeded two blocks to a stop sign in preparation for a right turn. An opposing vehicle was signaling for a left turn, putting him across my path. My car pretended to ignore him and was about to impede his right of way until I braked. He had arrived at his stop before us, and apparently my car did not perceive that fine point of motoring. For the return trip, the turn signal came on needlessly at a stop sign, (and hit an uncomfortable pothole), aside from that the rest of the ride was normal and irreproachable.
