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Everything Electric Sydney (February 9-10-11, 2024)
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Yeah, while the pillar iteself is very shmick (it’s basically a support stand - the electrics are modular and in separate boxes with Kempower) and the cables nice and long to reach any vehicle, they look very odd looping out like that. Also the exterior rubber felt quite soft, and I thought it wouldn’t take much scraping on the ground to damage them. But perhaps they were dummy cables.
Here’s the NRMA map in full resolution (unless TMC compress it
)It’s just the map for NSW, obvs, but the bloke I talked to did mention the network will become national and thought (but would not confirm) that the Chargfox brand would eventually disappear, as Chargefox are moving away from being a CPO to doing the backends.
He also said they are going to start building more metro chargers, but I think that is already a very well catered for sector, and the motoring organisations should focus on road trip sites to serve areas that are going to be way down the private operator priority list. Basically what they have done already except please more stalls per site. They said it‘s very difficult in the more remote towns to get the power supply.
Geez you’re a hard marker
. The absence of all the non-Chinese EV makers was well-flagged in the programme, and given the bollocking Toyota got (often to much applause) at a number of the talks, I‘m not surprised they didn’t dare show their face.The ID-Buzz no-show was one of the disappointments for me, but as @meloccom said, the Cupra Born was there.
There were lots of electric motorbikes there and skateboards/scooters but yes no e-bikes that I can recall.
And while the panellists were a bit heavy on Youtubers, and apart from the real experts others mentioned, they also had David Malicki and Rebecca Williamson from the NSW Net-zero Transport team who both, admirably I thought, remained fairly non-partisan in their talks. Although that may be because there is a state election here in 2 weeks so the Govt is in “caretaker mode” and they need to be careful. Evie also had reps at a few of the business talks which I did not attend.
My main disappointment with the talks is that the YouTubers often gave rambling answers that didn’t answer the questions well, from the MC or the questions from the floor. It was very obvious who has had media training and who hasn’t.
But most importantly, did you win your cricket semi-final?
I had a 1:1 with a home energy expert seeking guidance on getting off the gas. The hot water will be the hardest for us since our property is narrow with only a tiny slice down one side to store a heat-pump tank. And the tanks needed for a 4-bedroom house are big. He gave me a couple of interesting pointers, although I had already done a lot of my own research.
OT but also make sure you take into account how noisy they are. Ours, a Rheem one (sorry don’t know the model, but for a 4-bedroom house), is louder than our ducted air conditioner. Same sort of noise, because obviously they are the same sort of thing, just more of it. Saves a lot of power vs the normal off-peak the house had previously but definitely check if the noise levels will be ok where you are considering to put it.
Thanks for the NRMA/ChargeFox map. Until proven otherwise, I‘d be happier to see them replacing their current 50kW Tritium chargers with Kempower ones (rather than only using Kempower on new sites). And the sooner the NRMA chargers become non-free (for everyone - members included) and add idle charges to the better. I saw in someone’s post above that NRMA are now saying members (I am one FWIW) will get a discount on charging rather than free-for-members; that’s much better IMHO, aligned with how NRMA members are treated at ChargeFox chargers now.
Geez you’re a hard marker
My main disappointment with the talks is that the YouTubers often gave rambling answers that didn’t answer the questions well, from the MC or the questions from the floor. It was very obvious who has had media training and who hasn’t.
But most importantly, did you win your cricket semi-final?
Lost cricket, which may have put me in a grumpy mood.
I found the cupra. And a few more EV's outside.
Ok, I'll go to 7/10, but not a penny more.
louco73
Member
I spent a couple of hours there today and found it was money well spent. AGL gave me some advice that will cover the cost of entry to the show, and then some. Plus I talked to Evee about their rental options and might be able to justify another EV if I can rent it out too.
The panel sessions were packed with standing room only, so I didn't listen to any of those.
The MG4 looks like a decent car coming around September, according to a chap on the stand. I was disappointed to hear from BYD that the Dolphin is arriving towards the end of the year, as that was the car I intended on getting for my wife. I'll see which car arrives first and probably purchase that.
The small hydrofoil boat, The worlds most advanced electric hydrofoil watercraft, was an interesting concept. Alas with rising interest rates I don't have the spare cash for such a toy for ~$70,000
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I was hoping to see more integration specialists. That is, a company that can offer solar panels, batteries, car chargers and hot water heat pump systems that all work together according to the customer's needs. That seems to be a gap in the market, especially for people doing major renovations or a new build.
Looking at the number of people there today and feedback from one booth operator that they were surprised at the positive turnout yesterday, the show looks like a success.
The panel sessions were packed with standing room only, so I didn't listen to any of those.
The MG4 looks like a decent car coming around September, according to a chap on the stand. I was disappointed to hear from BYD that the Dolphin is arriving towards the end of the year, as that was the car I intended on getting for my wife. I'll see which car arrives first and probably purchase that.
The small hydrofoil boat, The worlds most advanced electric hydrofoil watercraft, was an interesting concept. Alas with rising interest rates I don't have the spare cash for such a toy for ~$70,000
.I was hoping to see more integration specialists. That is, a company that can offer solar panels, batteries, car chargers and hot water heat pump systems that all work together according to the customer's needs. That seems to be a gap in the market, especially for people doing major renovations or a new build.
Looking at the number of people there today and feedback from one booth operator that they were surprised at the positive turnout yesterday, the show looks like a success.
Interesting.
I can see why it makes sense for NRMA (and possibly it's other partners to take over the existing 350kW network.
But then surely Chargefox just becomes a billing/ access provider and it makes sense to have the NRMA network on Chargefox along with Yurika, Gold Coast etc...
Yeah, I asked similar today when I said hello to NRMA - they said they definitely don't want yet another app just for charging at their stations, whether they bake it into the existing NRMA app, or use the Chargefox app.
I pointed out that RAA Charge is using their Chargefox app instead of another app, and the person I spoke to said that was definitely on the table as well.
They didn't have much to say on what the strategy was behind the acquisition and the future of Chargefox, but it doesn't sound like there will be any more 'Chargefox' branded chargers - NRMA will be all in on NRMA branded chargers, and RAA seems to be doing the same - and other chargers in things like shopping centres, train station carparks etc will be on the network for billing etc, but not installed by NRMA (or your relevant state motoring group)
I asked the same at NRMA - yep, cost for charging, discount for members, with idle fees etc - the whole deal.
(interestingly I just realised the RAA Charge sites don't have a discount for motoring group members, but perhaps because all the chargers rolled out so far are just AC?)
I also asked Evie about idle fees - they have no plans to introduce them.I had at great day at Fully Charged Live. I rocked up at about 10:30 having no idea whether this event would be a massive flop or a smash hit… to be met with a nearly 400m queue of people to get indoing a loop of Level 4 and snaking down the steps to Level 3!
The queue moved pretty quickly though and 15 minutes later I was in. Lots of people inside an a good buzz. Some photos below.
”Off the record” tidbits from talking to various exhibitors:
- NRMA plan to have their App out roughly midyear, and will commence charging for charging™ once that happens. Members will get a discount but “free” will be gone.
- New NRMA sites will use the Kempower hardware (photo below)
- EVX plan to install 200-300 pole mounted kerbside chargers in Sydney this year. The hardware is made locally. They say the box is as big as it is in order to comply with Ausgrid electrical safety requirements but they would not reveal more than that. Reserving ports is a feature that is coming. Where they put the chargers is dictated a lot by what the local council wants. I suggested residential streets without offstreet parking is where most should go, not primarily cafe strips or local attractions.
- Evie plan to double the size of their network this year. They ended 2022 with 100 sites, so they want to do another 100 this year. Tritium spare parts supply has apparently improved and repair times are shortening. They are acutely aware of the negative impact broken chargers have and hate it as much as the drivers do.
RareEarth
Member
Just got home, had an excellent time on both days. One of the highlights for me was the Range Rover conversion being done by the Bendigo Tech School. It was only half finished but that was a plus as you could see all work that had been done on the drivetrain, batteries etc. Also had a good chat with those displaying cars for the next Solar Challenge and a chap at the A E-bikes who had Talaria bikes on display.
Yes there could have been more cars but what was there were being swarmed by an interested public.
TOCA stand was working hard.
Yes there could have been more cars but what was there were being swarmed by an interested public.
TOCA stand was working hard.
Chuq
Well-Known Member
Comments from Robert Llewellyn, from both the “Jack Scarlett/Robert Llewellyn chat” (VERY entertaining.. I recorded it, but I think Chris Vanderstock did too so his YouTube channel will probably have a better version) about midday and the “Fully Charged team panel Q&A” at the end (the two above plus Elliot Richards and Simone Annan):
* Every time they do their first show in a new region, most of the car companies don’t come to the first one. They always come to the second and subsequent ones.
* All the major manufacturers *did* attend this one and confirmed the above
* This was the most successful “first event in a new region” of any of their events, they had already confirmed (before the programme was printed) that they were going to be back next year
* They said at various times between 2x-3x the size of this one next time
* Bonus info - Chris Vanderstock also has a brief interview with Robert, when hinting/joking “how about Fully Charged Melbourne” - Robert said “It’s on the list!” (Edit: @moa999 linked it above!)
* Every time they do their first show in a new region, most of the car companies don’t come to the first one. They always come to the second and subsequent ones.
* All the major manufacturers *did* attend this one and confirmed the above
* This was the most successful “first event in a new region” of any of their events, they had already confirmed (before the programme was printed) that they were going to be back next year
* They said at various times between 2x-3x the size of this one next time
* Bonus info - Chris Vanderstock also has a brief interview with Robert, when hinting/joking “how about Fully Charged Melbourne” - Robert said “It’s on the list!” (Edit: @moa999 linked it above!)
Chuq
Well-Known Member
Saul Griffiths?
Jake Whitehead?
Ray Wills?
Behyad Jafari?
Plus a few AEVA and TOCA reps, and many industry people representing their organisations (Origin, NRMA, JetCharge, Evie, even the head of Polestar Australia)
Chuq
Well-Known Member
Only if you count EV Stealth Solutions with their towbars. I’m guessing the Australian accessory sellers are mostly non-storefront operations (run out of a garage or warehouse).Anyone go? thoughts?
Any stalls selling stuff for teslas? i still need some accessories
Re charging integration and V2G, the answer was “we’re working on it” but not ready yet. One interesting comment by Tim Washington of JetCharge was that V2G will use the bigger CCS2 plug not type 2 as too many different internal inverters makes it hard for grid operators, so I presume this means the eventual V2G box will pull DC direct from your battery invert it to AC and push it onto the grid. Just my speculation.I spent a couple of hours there today and found it was money well spent. AGL gave me some advice that will cover the cost of entry to the show, and then some. Plus I talked to Evee about their rental options and might be able to justify another EV if I can rent it out too.
The panel sessions were packed with standing room only, so I didn't listen to any of those.
The MG4 looks like a decent car coming around September, according to a chap on the stand. I was disappointed to hear from BYD that the Dolphin is arriving towards the end of the year, as that was the car I intended on getting for my wife. I'll see which car arrives first and probably purchase that.
The small hydrofoil boat, The worlds most advanced electric hydrofoil watercraft, was an interesting concept. Alas with rising interest rates I don't have the spare cash for such a toy for ~$70,000
I was hoping to see more integration specialists. That is, a company that can offer solar panels, batteries, car chargers and hot water heat pump systems that all work together according to the customer's needs. That seems to be a gap in the market, especially for people doing major renovations or a new build.
Looking at the number of people there today and feedback from one booth operator that they were surprised at the positive turnout yesterday, the show looks like a success.
To clarify - all the major manufacturers sent in their spies in plain-clothes to check the event out in person and report back to HQ. They didn’t have stands there as we know (apart from the Chinese brands).
All the stallholders I talked to were blown away by the attendance. One commented that trade shows are often like “death warmed up” but this was at the other end of the scale.
It’s always hard to know how successful something like this will be the first time it is held.
Yeah , but what about all the other panelists?
I wish Saul Griffiths would tone down the 'che guevara' a bit. When he starts taking a out total manual weight..
