FSD Beta v11.x

The next big milestone for FSD is 11. It is a significant upgrade and fundamental changes to several parts of the FSD stack including totally new way to train the perception NN.

From AI day and Lex Fridman interview we have a good sense of what might be included.

- Object permanence both temporal and spatial
- Moving from “bag of points” to objects in NN
- Creating a 3D vector representation of the environment all in NN
- Planner optimization using NN / Monte Carlo Tree Search (MCTS)
- Change from processed images to “photon count” / raw image
- Change from single image perception to surround video
- Merging of city, highway and parking lot stacks a.k.a. Single Stack

Lex Fridman Interview of Elon. Starting with FSD related topics.

Here is a detailed explanation of Beta 11 in "layman's language" by James Douma, interview done after Lex Podcast.

Here is the AI Day explanation by in 4 parts.

Deep Understanding Tesla FSD Part 1: HydraNet

From Theory to Reality, Analyze the Evolution of Tesla Full Self-Driving

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Here is a useful blog post asking a few questions to Tesla about AI day. The useful part comes in comparison of Tesla's methods with Waymo and others (detailed papers linked).

Twelve Questions about Tesla Autopilot Technologies Exposed at 2021 AI Day

On Aug. 19 2021, Telsa held an AI day , exposing more technologies about Autopilot , from perception, planning, data labeling, simulation…

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[TjckTock]

Very few posts now mention phantom braking. For me I wouldn't say phantom braking is completely solved but the reduction is significant. Better description is "unnecessary braking" when FSD overreacts to a car near me. Would others agree?

I agree. For me "phantom" braking is almost non-existent. It still brakes when you don't want it to but it is usually predictable and I already have my foot on the gas to encourage it before it even starts. So yeah, "unnecessary braking" is a better description.

The thing that worries me is one of the cases where it brakes unnecessarily every time is when an oncoming car turns left in front of you crossing your path. The thing I find worrisome about this is it only starts to brake after the car is already well clear of your path. Make me concerned that there is too much latency in the system for it ever to work right.

 

[rlsd]

I brakes when a car is getting close to my rear (about 1-2 car length). Maybe FSD wants to yield to that car for lane changing but the courtesy is incorrectly applied.

 

[rlsd]

11.4.7 had a new behavior this morning. It kept the left most on a 2 lane street when it's about to enter a 3 lane ramp to freeway (it's a good thing. Previous versions changed to the rightmost lane then missed the left turn to freeway). Then it used the left most lane of the 3 lane ramp to enter freeway. This is bad because the leftmost lane is a carpool lane. Besides that, it did not stop for the throttle red light. Oh well, 2 steps toward 1 step backward.

 

[vegetaban]

So I have 2023.26.8, if I restart FSD would I be able to install the latest FSD, or have to wait for a later version again?

I’m always confused by the way they number FSD

 

[FOOLSLFDRVNG]

Reset button press:
1 time fixes wipers
2 times fixes slowness to move at intersection
3 times fixes erratic lane changing
4 times fixes excessive nags
5 times increases range to 150 percent

6 times world hunger
7 times Ukraine war ends

 

[sleepydoc]

FSDtester#1 said:
After a deep sleep and a 2 button reset. Auto wipers are working again for me.

And I got laughed at for suggesting that could be the solution.

no, we laughed at you because you were in a deep sleep and you talk in your sleep.

 

[Pdubs]

So I have 2023.26.8, if I restart FSD would I be able to install the latest FSD, or have to wait for a later version again?

I’m always confused by the way they number FSD

I can’t answer your question with anything other than rebooting has no effect and you’ll get it when you get it, but was curious.

Have you banned vegetables or are you a vegetarian?

 

[rlsd]

6 times world hunger
7 times Ukraine war ends

1000 times unleashes L5 for FSD. Don't tell anyone I said this. I will be sued left and right.

 

[Pdubs]

no, we laughed at you because you were in a deep sleep and you talk in your sleep.

Doc is awake!

 

[Pdubs]

1000 times unleashes L5 for FSD. Don't tell anyone I said this. I will be sued left and right.

Nothing of what any of you are saying is true. I’ve spent all afternoon trying to no avail. I’ll never get that time back. You’re all a bunch of wankers.

 

[Twiglett]

And I got laughed at for suggesting that could be the solution.

ok - installing now. I have generic voodoo dolls if it doesn't work

 

[JHCCAZ]

Nothing of what any of you are saying is true. I’ve spent all afternoon trying to no avail. I’ll never get that time back. You’re all a bunch of wankers.

It would have worked if you just did it one more time.
That's so obvious. Now you have to double up just to get back to where you left off.

 

[GlmnAlyAirCar]

I hear that v12 auto park is going to be

 

[Gwgan]

11.4.7 gave me a red-hand ding when it was changing lanes on the highway while I was paying attention and while I was adjusting the scroll wheel and while I was applying a light resistance to the yoke. Who was it not paying attention?

Later, during manual driving, got beep beep beep and then some messages about steering assist and auto lane change not available (but might reset at next drive) during a Manual left turn off the highway. I had this happen once before on 11.4.4 and like the last time the error did disappear after the car sat empty for a few minutes.

 

[Dewg]

ok - installing now. I have generic voodoo dolls if it doesn't work

I rebooted and let it sleep, tested today and no dry wipes. Can't test rain as it's hot and dry here right now. But at least no dry wipes.

 

[FOOLSLFDRVNG]

I think FSD should be priced at $11,470.

 

[vegetaban]

I can’t answer your question with anything other than rebooting has no effect and you’ll get it when you get it, but was curious.

Have you banned vegetables or are you a vegetarian?

No, Vegeta from Dragon Ball was my favorite character as a kid and ban is from my name. So I’ve been using the same username for about 25 years, or variations.

 

[dtdtdt]

I was waiting on the left most lane, trying to turn left at the intersection. The road I'm about to turn is a 4-lane road. The car went directly from the left most lane to the right most lane (without touching the left lane) while turning left, all in one motion.

FWIW, This is fine in CA. Left turning cars can turn to any lane on the new street (unless marked otherwise). Right turners must turn to rightmost lane.

 

[cbdoc]

You won’t be sorry canceling it. I have been weened off for 2 months and haven’t missed it yet. When something meaningful gets released it’ll just be a button press and $200 a month away…

11.4.7 is so bad for me that I’m canceling as well. It’s pretty much undriveable in even the most basic scenarios with well marked non-urban roads. Phantom braking is back with a vengeance, picks the wrong lane constantly, misses turns all together. Major step back from 11.4.4 or 5 (whatever I was on before). State of FSDb is very sad.

 

[legendsk]

I think FSD should be priced at $11,470.

I think there should be a $7,500 discount on the car if you are willing to take it with FSD.