FSD v12.3.3 - Single vs Double Pull option for stalk

[KerrySkates]

When a previous update gave us the Single Pull vs Double Pull options, I left the settings alone so I could use Single Pull for cruise control and double pull to add lane keep.

FSD v12.3.3 was installed and my car was automatically set to use it. I get that they want to encourage people to use FSD, but I’m not a fan of changing my personal preferences without telling me and without my permission. W/e I can change it back.

My bigger issue is that the pull options are not configurable with FSD selected.

I want to have single pull activate cruise control only - no lane keeping or anything “fancy.” Then double pull can activate FSD. I just can’t do that with the options available.

I already have my reservations about using FSD. I’ve used it once since the update was installed and it failed so many times in a short distance that I gave up trying it out. By locking down this option and making me have to dig through the menu to either use AutoPilot or FSD, Tesla is further discouraging my use of FSD. I don’t want to dig through the menu. I want to use the stalk. And I mostly just want cruise control, so AutoPilot it is for me I guess.

 

[EVRider-FL]

Assuming you got FSD as a free trial, you can change the setting on your first screenshot back to Autosteer, then everything will work as before. Some people who want to use FSD sometimes, but not always, will create a different driver profile with FSD enabled, and then switch between those profiles.

 

[KerrySkates]

It’s not a trial. I “own” FSD. The point of my complaint is that I shouldn’t have to go into the menu and switch profiles. I should be able to configure the stalk so that I can easily set it up to behave the way I want and how it works when I use the AutoSteer profile. Locking me into a preset that I cannot change discourages me from further experimenting with FSD.

 

[CHEAPPC]

I’m having this same issue, I really do enjoy the FSD Supervised free trial, but I would like to have my option back where I only need “cruise” control in a single pull of the stalk, looks like there’s no way, I am going to try to create a new driver “profile” but this sucks, wonder why it won’t let me set it to have “FSD Supervised” with a double stalk pull, and cruise to a single stalk pull

 

[TonyR67]

It’s not a trial. I “own” FSD. The point of my complaint is that I shouldn’t have to go into the menu and switch profiles. I should be able to configure the stalk so that I can easily set it up to behave the way I want and how it works when I use the AutoSteer profile. Locking me into a preset that I cannot change discourages me from further experimenting with FSD.

I totally agree. It is a real PITA!

 

[Jarends]

Guess there's no where to go and complain. Without the double/single pull option, I haven't been using FSD. Sad, there are time I like to drive with just cruise control, and it's a pain (and dangerous) to stop somewhere and mess with the menu to switch back and forth.

 

[Dr. D Flier]

I totally agree. It is a real PITA!

Yep - FSD or nothing - No reason I can see to not let us have single/double pull option. Our roads are full of potholes and guess where FSD drives

 

[JB47394]

If you enable FSD without a destination, the system will behave very much like a smart cruise control. It keeps a lane, and deals with traffic controls. I use it all the time that way, but I primarily drive in suburban areas, so your experience may differ.

 

[legendsk]

It appears that "single pull" is here to stay for a while and enough complaints have been logged, if it were easily solved, surely it would have been. I suggest that the fact that city is NN end to end and highway is still on heuristic code may be involved with this, and trying to force NN code to go with double pull is perhaps a big deal? If it is a simple as this, then just go back in your closet and when highway moves to NN it should be fixed?

 

[Dr. D Flier]

If you enable FSD without a destination, the system will behave very much like a smart cruise control. It keeps a lane, and deals with traffic controls. I use it all the time that way, but I primarily drive in suburban areas, so your experience may differ.

I did that quite a bit and it worked MOST of the time. Once in a while it would just make arbitrary lane changes (no other cars around and no turn lanes) as if it has somewhere it wanted to go . In that mode I just want TAAC, not steering so I can dodge the pot holes.

 

[JB47394]

I did that quite a bit and it worked MOST of the time. Once in a while it would just make arbitrary lane changes (no other cars around and no turn lanes) as if it has somewhere it wanted to go . In that mode I just want TAAC, not steering so I can dodge the pot holes.

It's funny because they added the Minimal Lane Changes button for V11, but it doesn't appear to apply to V12 on secondary roads. In V11 days, most people seemed to turn that on all the time, and bemoaned the inability to make it a persistent setting. The inability to steer within a lane is another Teslaism, where I assume they weren't putting much priority on blending the assist with the driver's needs. They were shooting for robotaxis, which don't need to do that.

So they could create a really nice system that abided by our preferences, but I suspect that they're too early in development of the neural network control system to tackle subtleties like blending FSD driving with human driving. If we see that in V12.4, I'll be very pleasantly surprised.

 

[Joe Thomas]

When a previous update gave us the Single Pull vs Double Pull options, I left the settings alone so I could use Single Pull for cruise control and double pull to add lane keep.

FSD v12.3.3 was installed and my car was automatically set to use it. I get that they want to encourage people to use FSD, but I’m not a fan of changing my personal preferences without telling me and without my permission. W/e I can change it back.

My bigger issue is that the pull options are not configurable with FSD selected.

I want to have single pull activate cruise control only - no lane keeping or anything “fancy.” Then double pull can activate FSD. I just can’t do that with the options available.

I already have my reservations about using FSD. I’ve used it once since the update was installed and it failed so many times in a short distance that I gave up trying it out. By locking down this option and making me have to dig through the menu to either use AutoPilot or FSD, Tesla is further discouraging my use of FSD. I don’t want to dig through the menu. I want to use the stalk. And I mostly just want cruise control, so AutoPilot it is for me I guess.

I have the same exact complaint. In purchased fsd and now i have no option for any other
Type of assistance. I find fsd to be too aggressive and setting to chill does nothing. Fsd is not a defensjve driver

 

[Jarends]

I'd like to know how to get Tesla to reverse that change. I would, most likely, use FSD more as opposed to not being bothered now.

 

[Unclepaul]

Tesla is aware of this desire. Imagine that, in the future, a toggle will be made available to enable this option.

Right now is a transition. Nothing will be perfect.

 

[Dr. D Flier]

Another issue I had with FSD was when in trailer mode FSD doesn't work. That's OK, but there is no way to have TACC in that situation.

Back to basic Autopilot now and in trailer mode Autopilot won't steer and I'm fine with that, but TACC does work!

So with basic autopilot you can pull your trailer and have TACC but if you have FSD in trailer mode you get NOTHING. You have to keep your foot on the accelerator all the time. Not ideal for road trip in trailer mode.

Hopefully they will fix that.