Exactly what that means. I am all for an EV in every garage but Good luck finding a stall at a Tesla Supercharger station in a couple of years. Tesla should make Ford and GM pony up to build a lot more supercharger stations as part of the deal.
Thanks for the detail. Pretty much matched my understanding but much more clearly worded.
One more point about this: The charge-port locations on recently-released or soon-to-be-released GM vehicles is not consistent, but some do put it in the right-rear position. For instance, the Hummer EV and Silverado EV put it there; here's an official photo of the Silverado:
It is possible that all V2s will be upgraded, or retired, by 2025 when non-Teslas start shipping with NACS.
Communication will be key here. Tesla can send a notification to all owners with non-CCS compatible vehicles letting them know about their compatibility and that for only $450 they can get a retrofit to be compatible. (Or maybe they will offer a $250 option that doesn't come with the CCS adapter.)
That's the speculation, based on the number of Superchargers mentioned (12,000+ for both GM and Ford; but the US DOE shows 21,182 Superchargers today, with the general belief being that something like 13K of them are V3 models); general belief (I don't know if it's documented anywhere) that V2 Superchargers can't "talk" the CCS protocol; and assumption that non-Tesla NACS-equipped vehicles won't be able to "talk" Tesla's proprietary protocol. AFAIK, though, there's been no official confirmation of this point.
Correct; however, Tesla is already offering upgrades to Model S and X vehicles that are affected, and has promised such updates for Models 3 and Y. (Some people have managed to hack together such upgrades themselves.)
Most likely, yes; however, these will be short-term teething problems, at least when viewed through the lens of EV adoption over a period of the next decade or so. The glass-is-half-full take is that the problems will affect a tiny fraction of all vehicles on the road in the not-too-distant future, since the number of EVs on the road is still small, but growing at a rapid pace. Also, it's entirely possible that Tesla will upgrade/replace the current V2 Superchargers at some point, and it's conceivable that they'll routinely retrofit the CCS-capable charge controller on vehicles they acquire through trade-ins. Even if they don't do that, there's a limited number of non-CCS-capable Teslas on the road today, and that number will only decrease because of upgrades and vehicles being taken out in accidents or because of old age.
The Ford announcement specifically said 12k+ V3 Superchargers. And yes supercharge.info data confirms that there are currently more than 13k V3s in North America.
Tesla Supercharger cable is thin because it has cooling liquid running through it. Thus, we can forget about extension cord for the coolant. The cable length has to come from Tesla.
But we have no idea what Ford and GM had to agree to.
like the Rivian Adventure Network is doing. Suspect Rivian will go with NACS now so this tracks.
We don't but I doubt both would do it if it's a bad deal.
The royalty and patent are free. Zero expenses.
I believe she already mentioned that GM had figured 750 million to start their own network and this Tesla “partnership“ saved them 300 million. So Ford and GM are clearly Paying for the opportunity to use a portion of the network (plus power value $$ share to Tesla). So with their contributions Tesla can near double what they have And likely hugely cripple the CCS competitive networks in short order. They will be the US Standard Oil in no time. Lol
3. The most expensive part: Fees to access the network!
A thin extension cable that supports full-power charging would indeed be impossible, or at least impractical. AFAIK, though, no current CCS Ford EV will charge at over about 160 kW, so it should be possible to provide a cable roughly the thickness of a V2 Supercharger cable for them -- with the major caveat I noted that, for safety reasons, it would need to have some way to guarantee shutdown if the amperage limits were exceeded. The Cadillac Lyriq can supposedly charge at up to 190 kW, so it would need thicker cables or some way to software limit the charging speed. (It occurs to me that Tesla could implement a database of vehicles, identify the model from the CCS handshake, and limit charging speed if it knows the car must be using an adapter.)
If you mean stalls, you can get the data here:
| USA | 12222 |
| Canada | 996 |
| Mexico | 72 |
They might move it, but selfishly I hope they don't.
