Jigglypuff
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I think India has a rather large Hindu nationalism problem right now, but it's not nearly as bad as situation normal in the Middle East.
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Mainstream Christians and Jews will openly criticize and police their extremist versions, which remain relatively rare and comparatively harmless. Mainstream Muslims refuse to police their extremist versions, which are active and very harmful. Few Muslims or former Muslims will speak out forcefully against the extremists — Ayaan Hursi Ali and Maajid Nawaz do. If there were more of them, the world would be a much better place as more Muslims might moderate their inclination to behead infidels.
Spot on.
So I don't buy the deafening narrative that is thrown at the rest of us at every instant, "Not all Muslims are extremists. Only a small misguided ones take to extremism and violence. Islam is a peaceful religion". Superficially that is true. But the so called moderates looking the other way when their highly vocal extremist section of the population represses people of other faiths, that silence only acts as wind beneath the wings for these extremists
Take for instance Gaza. Most of the population took so much celebratory mood right after Oct 7. How is that considered "peaceful" ?
But these same 'silent' moderates will become extremely vocal and whip out the victim card the moment they perceive Islam is under threat
Europeans who think that their less than 5% Muslim population today is not a cause for alarm, should look at history in many other parts of the world. Lebanon is a great example. A even better example is India, Malaysia, Indonesia. If a community that is supposedly only 5% of the population could create such radicals and trouble, just look what might happen when they reach 10%? at 15% there is no turning back.
People who look at Palestinian-Israel conflict thru the lens of land dispute are myopic and completely mistaken. This is a clash of cultures, civilization, ideology and upbringing. Put a Muslim population right next to people of other faiths, you are going to have friction and conflict in any part of the world. This is not an opinion, but just plain historical anecdotal fact. You can see this play out at a micro level within neighborhoods of a city and also at a macro level between two nation states. In all of those cases in the end only one stands. The other will get assimilated (aka converted) or eliminated.
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This is rather extreme. The total Muslim populations in western countries is fairly small. Germany is 5.4 to 5.7%. The Netherlands is 5%, the UK 5.8% The United States is only 1.1%. By comparison the US is 14% African American, 18.9% Hispanic, and 2.4% Jewish.
You mean like the Christian Germans in the late 1930’s?Mainstream Christians and Jews will openly criticize and police their extremist versions, which remain relatively rare and comparatively harmless. Mainstream Muslims refuse to police their extremist versions, which are active and very harmful. Few Muslims or former Muslims will speak out forcefully against the extremists — Ayaan Hursi Ali and Maajid Nawaz do. If there were more of them, the world would be a much better place as more Muslims might moderate their inclination to behead infidels.
Speech from a Dutch politician, delivering the chilling reality of the inevitable death of Europe, in her CPAC address.
The far left and the far right struggle for the crown when it comes to evil. Hard to tell them apart. They both demand ideological purity. Demands for ideological purity are the fastest way to make me want to punch somebody in the face (not you).In Islam there is a violent minority who keeps the rest cowed. This doesn't just happen in religious groups. It happens in any group where there is a violent minority who makes it very costly for anyone to speak up against them. Especially people within the same group.
On their rise in Germany the Nazis made it very dangerous to speak out against them. To some degree that's happening right now in one party in the US.
I'm not sure I believe that 16%. Israel today is 18% Muslim. Israel has a problem with Islam, but it's from the outside, not the inside.
I haven't watched JS in many years, since well before he left the Daily Show. I will say, though, that Biden cutting off weaponry and aid to Israel is the most boneheaded move Biden has made after a series of utterly boneheaded foreign policy moves. It's like he wants to lose the election to a guy who's likely to be in jail soon.Palate cleanser:
Then, for some reason, they stay in Israel.
I haven't watched JS in many years, since well before he left the Daily Show. I will say, though, that Biden cutting off weaponry and aid to Israel is the most boneheaded move Biden has made after a series of utterly boneheaded foreign policy moves. It's like he wants to lose the election to a guy who's likely to be in jail soon.
A lot of people do not want to vote for Trump. A lot of people do not want to vote for Biden. Neither of them are showing qualities that lessen that disgust so many feel. I know who the lesser of two evils is, but I don't like either of the choices. Worst election choices of the past 40+ years. The election system was made to be broken in order to protect slavery. It's still broken.I don't think there is anything he can do to work around that, the math just isn't there.
Yeah, and they are really trying to pull JFK Jr to the same level. I hope there's a dark horse. Anyhow, nuff politics.A lot of people do not want to vote for Trump. A lot of people do not want to vote for Biden. Neither of them are showing qualities that lessen that disgust so many feel. I know who the lesser of two evils is, but I don't like either of the choices. Worst election choices of the past 40+ years. The election system was made to be broken in order to protect slavery. It's still broken.
I don't think Trump would handle foreign policy any better. I think he did arguably much worse than Biden. I know people across the political spectrum praise the Abraham Accords, but I'm pretty sure they contributed to making the current mess even worse.
See if you could brave 10,000 anti-Semites calling for your removal….you could learn a lot from Eden…we all couldGreta Thunberg is leading a march of ten thousand haters to intimidate one brave young woman
The far left and the far right struggle for the crown when it comes to evil. Hard to tell them apart. They both demand ideological purity. Demands for ideological purity are the fastest way to make me want to punch somebody in the face (not you).
Muslims in Israel are unhappy with some parts of the Jewish state, but being in the middle east, they have a clear view of how Muslim nations are run. Then, for some reason, they stay in Israel.
I haven't watched JS in many years, since well before he left the Daily Show. I will say, though, that Biden cutting off weaponry and aid to Israel is the most boneheaded move Biden has made after a series of utterly boneheaded foreign policy moves. It's like he wants to lose the election to a guy who's likely to be in jail soon.
A lot of people do not want to vote for Trump. A lot of people do not want to vote for Biden. Neither of them are showing qualities that lessen that disgust so many feel. I know who the lesser of two evils is, but I don't like either of the choices. Worst election choices of the past 40+ years. The election system was made to be broken in order to protect slavery. It's still broken.
I don't think Trump would handle foreign policy any better. I think he did arguably much worse than Biden. I know people across the political spectrum praise the Abraham Accords, but I'm pretty sure they contributed to making the current mess even worse.
Bret Stephens lays out just how badly Biden just screwed everyone but Hamas: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/09/opinion/president-bidens-biggest-blunder.html
I don’t think it’s a bad idea….it’s the same in Britain…the civil service are broadly left wing and see it as their duty to hold back the Conservative agenda as much as possible. Whatever we say about politicians, at least they come to us to ask permission every few years…civil servants, we are just lumbered with themI fully agree with you about the extremes.
The likely Democratic voters are split on Israel. Millennials and GenZ lean more towards pro-Palestine and older voters lean more towards Israel. Likely Republican voters are mostly pro-Israel. Some Democrats are going to be upset with Biden regardless of what he does.
Biden's latest move is to limit Israel's access to offensive weapons they are using to bomb Gaza. He isn't limiting their access to defensive weapons such as SAMs.
Miles Taylor has recently published a book called Blowback. He was a political appointee in Homeland Security in both the Bush and Trump administration. He interviewed people from many other departments who were serving at the same time. There were a large number of people trying to hold everything together despite bad management at the top. He has observed that a 2nd Trump administration will not have any of those people in it. All appointees will be vetted for loyalty to the president first and competence second.
There are others who served in various mid-level appointee positions who are coming forward saying the same thing Taylor is.
I wouldn't believe Bret Stephens though. He hasn't proven to be all that credible a source.
I don’t think it’s a bad idea….it’s the same in Britain…the civil service are broadly left wing and see it as their duty to hold back the Conservative agenda as much as possible. Whatever we say about politicians, at least they come to us to ask permission every few years…civil servants, we are just lumbered with them
I'd go beyond the two aged flawed candidates (one at least got the Middle East policies right) & suggest that USA's political representation is the weakest in my lifetime (and is a self dealing corrupt bunch).A lot of people do not want to vote for Trump. A lot of people do not want to vote for Biden. Neither of them are showing qualities that lessen that disgust so many feel. I know who the lesser of two evils is, but I don't like either of the choices. Worst election choices of the past 40+ years. The election system was made to be broken in order to protect slavery. It's still broken.
I don't think Trump would handle foreign policy any better. I think he did arguably much worse than Biden. I know people across the political spectrum praise the Abraham Accords, but I'm pretty sure they contributed to making the current mess even worse.
Bret Stephens lays out just how badly Biden just screwed everyone but Hamas: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/09/opinion/president-bidens-biggest-blunder.html
I'd go beyond the two aged flawed candidates (one at least got the Middle East policies right) & suggest that USA's political representation is the weakest in my lifetime (and is a self dealing corrupt bunch).
btw: this statement "the election system was made to be broken in order to protect slavery." is false.
When the proposal for the Electoral College was voted on during the Constitutional Convention, Northern states with a lower slave population, unanimously voted for the proposal; yet, with the exception of Virginia, the Southern states, with a higher population of slaves, voted against it.
I've always lived in high population states but have no problem with small states having a seat at the table, particularly in the Senate. It protects them from the tyranny of the bigger states (of course, under a different system, the Senator from USA's 2nd smallest state would have been an ignored, forgotten man and not today in a position of extreme power).
Worth a read: Debunking Myths and Misinformation
"Few Americans identify with their states more than with the nation"The Troubling Reason the Electoral College Exists
The Founding Fathers had something particular in mind when they set up the U.S. presidential election system: slaverytime.com
That heritage foundation link would barely pass as a high school ap exam essay.
A nation is made of people, not states. Few Americans identify with their states more than with the nation. This is different in other countries. A lot of middle eastern people identify with tribe over nations.