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If he wants to, he will.Lol
Don't worry. Once you got your money back, you'll go ahead and buy it again.
Indeed. Even the claims that it would get more expensive over time and cost $100k in the end was just a scare tactic to get more sales before the price increases come. Now they've got it working quite well in the US they've been reducing the price to get more sales.Nobody in their right mind would buy FSD in its current state here.
*maybe* it becomes better in the future. If it does, then it becomes worth it. Until then, promises and 'coming soon' don't mean squat.
The reason why *could* be more nuanced than simply increased sales. Having more cars using it may be a means to that in a quicker timeframe.Now they've got it working quite well in the US they've been reducing the price to get more sales.
Same thing really, just they don't need the money as much as they need the training data having more cars using FSD brings. The free 1 month trial also both helps get more data and also hopefully convince more to shell out for it.The reason why *could* be more nuanced than simply increased sales. Having more cars using it may be a means to that in a quicker timeframe.
Use itPresumably I can't sue if I bought a Tesla with FSD already installed and find it unable to perform as advertised - then?
He/she can't use it, that's the point.Use it
Send feedback until it gets better
You’re in the uk subforum and the implementation here (and everywhere except North America) is very different to that in the US. We get just about nothing different to what comes with EAP, and EAP today does even less than it did 6 years ago on cars without parking sensors. Tesla should not sell expensive options with the promise of “coming soon” when the timescales are measured in multiple numbers of years, for many that’s fraud and the courts are now of the opinion that it was at least mis-sold and are making Tesla refund the money.Use it
Send feedback until it gets better
Probably not no as you have no direct contract/relationship with Tesla so it’s unclear what law you’d rely on to make your case.Presumably I can't sue if I bought a Tesla with FSD already installed and find it unable to perform as advertised - then?
No idea why you got "disagreed" when you're stating plain facts.. hey ho.Probably not no as you have no direct contract/relationship with Tesla so it’s unclear what law you’d rely on to make your case.
Your contract is with whoever you bought the car from ultimately.
Even EAP/FSD with parking sensors does less than it did several years ago. It got a significant downgrade back in 2019, and has had several more regressions since then due to regulations. I've seen no evidence to suggest it is moving in any positive, less restrictive direction here in Europe. It has not improved in any measurable way in the 4 years I've had mine, and no amount of "wait for single stack", "Dojo changes everything", etc cheerleading alters that fact.You’re in the uk subforum and the implementation here (and everywhere except North America) is very different to that in the US. We get just about nothing different to what comes with EAP, and EAP today does even less than it did 6 years ago on cars without parking sensors. Tesla should not sell expensive options with the promise of “coming soon” when the timescales are measured in multiple numbers of years, for many that’s fraud and the courts are now of the opinion that it was at least mis-sold and are making Tesla refund the money.
Comments such as yours aren’t really helpful, they simply reflect a lack of understanding.
Hokay. So, I’m on the other side of the pond, running the FSDS 12.3.6 package, and the car’s running around the landscape doing a pretty decent job driving through whatever the local DMVs and other drivers throw at it. In fact, tomorrow I’m planning on driving a couple hundred miles for a relative visit north of here. And back a few days later.No idea why you got "disagreed" when you're stating plain facts.. hey ho.
Even EAP/FSD with parking sensors does less than it did several years ago. It got a significant downgrade back in 2019, and has had several more regressions since then due to regulations. I've seen no evidence to suggest it is moving in any positive, less restrictive direction here in Europe. It has not improved in any measurable way in the 4 years I've had mine, and no amount of "wait for single stack", "Dojo changes everything", etc cheerleading alters that fact.
Musk/Tesla haven’t met the current regulations very well let alone negotistes with regulators about extended ones. The x times safer than humans also doesn’t wash over here because our regulations already make our roads multiple times safer than US roads.My understanding was that delivery of FSDS in GB was a matter of government denial of the use of the package. Is that the case? Or does the reported reason have to do with driving on the left?
The issue isn't that it isn't a capable system. If we had FSD Beta or even anything approaching it here in Europe I would be perfectly happy with what I paid 4 years ago and this thread would be irrelevant to me (and I suspect others).Hokay. So, I’m on the other side of the pond, running the FSDS 12.3.6 package, and the car’s running around the landscape doing a pretty decent job driving through whatever the local DMVs and other drivers throw at it. In fact, tomorrow I’m planning on driving a couple hundred miles for a relative visit north of here. And back a few days later.
So, in terms of existence, Tesla is selling FSDS cars. FWIW, I assisted a family friend in her ordering of a MY, including some test drives. And she states that once the first three months of the referral FSDS trial expires, she’s planning on purchasing the package. Price drop, I guess. And I did warn her that it still makes errors, just rarely, now.
But you guys are all acting like the restrictions on FSDS in GB is some kind of malicious choice on Tesla’s part, where they offer you all this wonderful package, take your money, then fail to deliver. As if it was true vaporware. Which it isn’t.
My understanding was that delivery of FSDS in GB was a matter of government denial of the use of the package. Is that the case? Or does the reported reason have to do with driving on the left?
That's exactly what it is. Yes the regulations stop it but it's not like Tesla doesn't know those regulations exist. They are still happy to take peoples money in the UK and they do then fail to deliver it.But you guys are all acting like the restrictions on FSDS in GB is some kind of malicious choice on Tesla’s part, where they offer you all this wonderful package, take your money, then fail to deliver. As if it was true vaporware. Which it isn’t.
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But you guys are all acting like the restrictions on FSDS in GB is some kind of malicious choice on Tesla’s part, where they offer you all this wonderful package, take your money, then fail to deliver.....
I assume that you are referring to me since at the moment I am the only dissenting comment.No idea why you got "disagreed" when you're stating plain facts.. hey ho.