Stalk or no stalk argument [not] settled

First, we should analyze the matter without considering that the brand Tesla is making these changes and understand from a automotive/ engineering/ ergonomic point of view that whether indicator in steering has benefits compare to stalk. If it does, I'll accept that.

Obviously there is always a trade off in anything.

Having stalk as an independent module that it's functionality is not influenced by the functionality of another module (steering). Ergonomically, we apply force by our arms to move the steering, and we operate the stalk by our fingers (not thumb). This configuration only make sense if the steering is round. So stalks works with a round steering.

The no stalk configuration is ergonomically acceptable if there is a yoke. And only if the yoke doesn't need to turn not more halfway. In this case your thumbs are always where they suppose to be to function.

Another issue is the gear Selector.

First, I don't know what how you would select gear if you break your screen. Second, if you have a yoke configuration, the intent is to keep you hands on the yoke all the time. But that conflicts with selecting gear because to select gear you have to take you hand off the yoke and touch the screen.

Another issue is that selecting gear on screen mandates eye engagement (but not the stalk) which again defeats the purpose of buttons in yoke.

So the no stalk configuration only makes sense if the gear Selector is also on the yoke and the yoke only turns halfway.

 

[SS_M3]

The problem has been solved here in ILLINOIS, no one uses turn signals.

I do…

 

[whitex]

The problem has been solved here in ILLINOIS, no one uses turn signals.

Perhaps Tesla can create an Illinois version to save a few dollars on LEDs and touch buttons. Like cars in CA selling without rear defoggers or reduced thermal insulation, or cars in UAE without heaters - there are regional versions of cars.

 

[smogne41]

There were technically two turns involved in the overall maneuver, a left and a right, so no, not really. And the other car wasn't at the intersection when I started going, so I didn't think of signaling. I would guess that most people don't signal their moves in a parking environment--the need arose when the other car showed up across from me. Yes, I know a very one-off and somewhat rare scenario, but another perfect example of how a stalk does the job in every scenario, while the button has it's limitations.

That's the thing may people just can't understand: rare situations happen all the time. Specific rare events/situation don't happen very often (hence they are rare), but taken together rare situations are incredibly common.

 

[whitex]

but taken together rare situations are incredibly common.

Hence there are plenty to lottery winners in this world, but it doesn't mean it will happen to you.

 

[zoomer0056]

That's the thing may people just can't understand: rare situations happen all the time. Specific rare events/situation don't happen very often (hence they are rare), but taken together rare situations are incredibly common.

When looking at the forest of rare events, one can loose perspective of the one rare event. The forest is magnificent of course. To put it like Little Caesar's Pizza ... "It's too big for the human eye to measure!"

 

[Heckraiser]

A week in on my new Highland and I've noticed another "quirk" of the turn signals:

When turning when there is a dedicated (painted) turn lane involved, I usually have to signal twice. I signal that I'm turning and move into the turn lane, then the car interprets that as a completed lane change and cancels the blinker. I then have to push the button again to keep the signal on until I've actually completed the turn. Happens about 75% of the time a turn lane is involved.

I'm also noticing it's pretty annoying going back and forth between my tesla and other cars. I was running erands in the Lexus the other day and tried to signal my turns using the stereo volume button a couple times

 

[3sr+buyer]

When turning when there is a dedicated (painted) turn lane involved, I usually have to signal twice. I signal that I'm turning and move into the turn lane, then the car interprets that as a completed lane change and cancels the blinker. I then have to push the button again to keep the signal on until I've actually completed the turn. Happens about 75% of the time a turn lane is involved.

You can turn off the turn signal cancellation after lane change in the car's settings. Turning that feature off brings back the more traditional behavior.

 

[Heckraiser]

But then you'd have to press the button twice for every lane change. Still more input than a tap on the stalk.

 

[zoomer0056]

I usually have to signal twice. I signal that I'm turning and move into the turn lane, then the car interprets that as a completed lane change and cancels the blinker. I then have to push the button again to keep the signal on until I've actually completed the turn.

Yup, same with my 2022 MSLR, so must be true for all cars.

it's pretty annoying going back and forth between my tesla and other cars

I switch between ICE and Tesla too. But I've never been annoyed.