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WThis is supposed to be the first V4 Supercharger location:
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One in Colorado will be in north Colorado Springs and also has a Q1 2023 ETA:This is supposed to be the first V4 Supercharger location:
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When these new V4 Superchargers are installed it will be interesting to see if there will be any drive-thru's available.W
One in Colorado will be in north Colorado Springs and also has a Q1 2023 ETA:
Do you think they are going to redesign the sites completely from the plans they submitted to get permits? (Plans for Dateland do show one pull-through stall, but you aren't going to drive a Semi+Trailer through that site.)When these new V4 Superchargers are installed it will be interesting to see if there will be any drive-thru's available.
Do you think they are going to redesign the sites completely from the plans they submitted to get permits?
I haven't seen the plans, do you have access to them?(Plans for Dateland do show one pull-through stall,
Just curious how you know this?but you aren't going to drive a Semi+Trailer through that site.
"This suggests that the existing plans will be redrawn to include V4 infrastructure in the build."
I haven't seen the plans, do you have access to them?
Just curious how you know this?
Definitely not. Then none of the cars could use V4 Superchargers at all, since they would have the wrong port. That makes no sense.The V4 Superchargers WILL fit the Tesla Semi charging port. This is where your confusion lies.
The new V4 Supercharger IS the Megacharcher.
No, that wouldn't be odd. It fits with Tesla's pattern of trying to reuse and share equipment types when possible. This would make a lot of sense that the new sleeved cooling cables will be a shared technology. The cabinets with the main backend supply that does the AC to DC conversion, etc. are probably also shared as part of this new backend infrastructure. But on the front end, the interfaces to the vehicles at the stalls are going to have to have different plug types for the Megacharger for the Semis versus the V4 Superchargers for cars.Agree. Only that what I got out of the presentation is they used the new V4 Supercharger for a reason. They never mentioned a Megacharger. Doesn't that seem odd since this was all about the Tesla Semi?
Could you not mix the terms? The Megachargers have the MCS plug that the Semi uses. Superchargers use the NACS plug that the cars have.Since the Cybertruck will be able to use the Mega Superchargers, and also the current Tesla Superchargers,
- my assumption is that the Mega Superchargers will be based on the NACS 1kV plug, at least in the US?
Yes, at least one of the Pepsi sites did get some installed, but that's not a publicly available one.Beside the Mega Supercharger at the Tesla Giga Factory, Sparks, NV,
is there any already existing Mega Superchargers locations?
Definitely not. Then none of the cars could use V4 Superchargers at all, since they would have the wrong port. That makes no sense.
Yes, it would be odd.No, that wouldn't be odd.
But on the front end, the interfaces to the vehicles at the stalls are going to have to have different plug types for the Megacharger for the Semis versus the V4 Superchargers for cars.
You are only partially correct here. The reason there was NO MENTION of the Megacharger is obvious. The V4 will handle the job of charging the Tesla Semi.So it does make sense to introduce that part of it at this presentation, that the new 1,000 V infrastructure and new cables are going to be compatible with the Semi and Cybertruck for both the Megachargers and the V4 Superchargers.
It does have the MCS port. It may or may not have the NACS as well. I do think it's likely it will as an emergency backup type of use.The Tesla Semi will have the NACS
Correct.The V4 Supercharger will have NACS
It might.which the Tesla Semi will have as well.
Yes, shared backend infrastructure equipment and future proofing.The V4 can handle 1MW for a reason,
Not very likely. The V4 Superchargers are going to have the NACS plug, which the cars do have, but the Semi might or might not have. But further, since the V4 Superchargers are their next generation of the Supercharger build out, they are going to installed in the same kind of edge of parking lot setup for cars to use. Semis just won't be able to pull through to those.The V4 will handle the job of charging the Tesla Semi.
Are you sure about this? If the NACS can handle charging the Tesla Semi why would they use the MCS? Tesla is all about efficiency. Why make another part(MCS handle and port) when they can use the NACS handle and port they are already making? The MCS is larger, more bulky and more than likely more expensive to make.It does have the MCS port.
LOLNot very likely. The V4 Superchargers are going to have the NACS plug, which the cars do have, but the Semi might or might not have.
OK. I'm with ya here.But further, since the V4 Superchargers are their next generation of the Supercharger build out, they are going to installed in the same kind of edge of parking lot setup for cars to use.
True.Semis just won't be able to pull through to those.
Tesla will use the V4 Superchargers for the pull-through setups BUT WILL NOT have a different plug on them. Again, why would they if the NACS can handle charging the Tesla Semi? I keep saying that is why the V4 can handle charging at 1MW, for the Semi.The Megachargers are the ones being built with pull-through setups and the different plug on them that the Semi will be able to use.
But can NACS really? MCS is designed for up to 3 MW, NACS can't do that. I think to reach the times Tesla stated they need at least 1.6MW, will NACS be able to do that? That would be ~1,600 A at 1000V, of course 1000v is likely the fully charged voltage, so voltage when SoC is low is probably closer to 875v, meaning that you need ~1,800 A to get 1.6MW. (Which I don't think the NACS connector can handle, they only mentioned testing it to 900A, which would only give you ~780kW.)Are you sure about this? If the NACS can handle charging the Tesla Semi why would they use the MCS? Tesla is all about efficiency. Why make another part(MCS handle and port) when they can use the NACS handle and port they are already making? The MCS is larger, more bulky and more than likely more expensive to make.
Are you sure about this? If the NACS can handle charging the Tesla Semi why would they use the MCS? Tesla is all about efficiency. Why make another part(MCS handle and port) when they can use the NACS handle and port they are already making? The MCS is larger, more bulky and more than likely more expensive to make.
LOL
OK. I'm with ya here.
True.
Tesla will use the V4 Superchargers for the pull-through setups BUT WILL NOT have a different plug on them. Again, why would they if the NACS can handle charging the Tesla Semi? I keep saying that is why the V4 can handle charging at 1MW, for the Semi.
What is the difference between the "Megacharger" and the V4 Supercharger? All I can see from what you say is the handle and port, which again goes against going for efficiency, economies of scale.
I'm guessing frozen menas because there are no cars being displayed?Interestingly, on the YouTube upload of the 500 mile drive, the navigate on autopilot screen is “frozen”. Seems like they haven’t gotten in working yet or something.
Yes. Again I point to the presentation.But can NACS really?
Yes. Again I point to the presentation.
Start @ 26:22 in the video
Elon says 1MW is needed for the Semi, not 1.6MW. No mention of MCS or Megacharger in the presentation. Just 1MW.