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Oh... my bad. Now that you mention it I do remember that naming thing... thanks for the info... But yeah, they still seem the least likely to succeed...

And where they went... voluntarily I might add...

I give them the best chance of the startups... they seem like they really tried to build a compelling and practical vehicle, and are actually getting them on the road... I see them reasonably often now. The trade-secrets thing with Tesla was bad... as otherwise they seemed like they were one of...

You make good points about remote/robotic equipment likely being capable for a vast majority of jobs. That's largely how it's done at the bottom of the ocean for many tasks.... That having been said, I suspect there are always going to be times when you may need human intervention if the device...

Not only do CEO's not have the gumption to do that, their background is finance, MBA, etc... Elon is a nerd. He's an engineer at heart, and a brutally pragmatic one. He does CEO/business stuff because he feels he has to. The result is that he understands what physics dictate CAN be done, doesn't...

Well, I mean LOX definitely IS cold... I'd chatter too... I believe I read they were going to skip the window today to give extra time to address the issue and target Friday night? On edit: Yup:

You are omitting context, and thereby insinuating I'm making a claim I am not. What I said was "not being presented to folks" was in the context of discussing whether it was an unedited single take. What the FSD contract language was revised to say has no bearing as to if they claimed the...

What Elon sold the next day was clearly labeled as beta. I.E- "unfinished", "not necessarily working", "work in progress", etc... No?

My point is that that's not what was being said when presented to folks.

Saying you are confident of something ≠ lying. 0/1 Forward looking statement based on plans in progress ≠ lying. 0/2 That process exists for where mobile service is possible and available. He didn't say it would be the only option, and anybody who has ever worked on a car knows that some...

My point is asking where Musk "lied" as per @DarkandStormy, and this is what he gave as evidence thereof . That demo is obviously cut and edited (it jumps from surface streets to freeways, at intersections the cars visible change after cutting to to side cam view, etc...). Elon nor anybody said...

More on the spacesuit: https://polarisprogram.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/SPACEX_01_EVA_SuitSpin_Callouts_Detail_16x9_02.mp4-comp-27.webm On edit: and

It was determined that demo had a route pre-selected and that at that point was tuned to succeed for some specifics along that route. Given what Elon said in the X post you cited was "Longer version of self-driving demo with Paint It Black soundtrack". Where is the lie there? And do you think...

When you said "the non Tesla people in my life mock it ceaselessly and my father and brother cancelled their orders", my point was that I don't make my decisions based on what folks who don't care to operate on facts think or say...

Yeah... for Boeing to pivot that radically, it would likely need to be gutted from the top down... they'd in essence be a new company with the same name...

So.... how long before we see Tesla engineered "training harnesses" with cams & sensors on them for the factory workers? Something lightweight and wearable that grabs training data from 1000's of workers rather than a handful of lab trainers?

Your question implies he has... and assertions require evidence.

So, I think we need to distinguish between the NN "framework" itself, and the weights it uses that are generated by training. I consider a written but untrained NN largely complete.

Folks who don't want to be educated on facts and instead prefer tropes despite my attempts to help them understand lose my respect. And my degree of caring is directly proportional to my respect for an individual. It makes life much easier not caring what 97.3% of folks at large think,

Yup... yup. I guess when I say "rather not play", it's with the idea that it can be done, it just takes somebody who's willing to kill the sacred cow and recognize the old way of doing things may not continue on, and there's a need to re-invent the company to be competitive... after all, other...

Indeed... in essence: "If we can't have our inefficiency subsidized, we'd rather not play." So, as I am a bit of a documentary wh0re, I'll recommend "The Corporation". (IMDB Link). It explores what has led to some amazingly contemptible choices corporations have made in the name of building...

Not sure I agree it's been solved. While the Shuttle had a reusable heatshield, it was fragile, and required extensive refurbishment between flights. The filght cadence of the shuttle allowed for this (or perhaps was in part because of this). With the plans for Starship reuse, minimal...

Berger also refers to the change that's gone on at Boeing since the merger with McDonnell Douglas: I recommend "Downfall: The Case Against Boeing" (on Netflix) if interested in some of the issues... although the focus is on the 737Max problems, it speaks to some of the corporate culture change...

Given that it's estimated that every living being on earth has PTFE in its system, that might unfortunately be an effective method...

Well, given that PTFE has turned out to be a not-so-spiffy chemical to have floating around here on earth, maybe obliterating it in outer space is the way to go...

Yeah, that struck me as "Wow, people?" too... but figured I had just been ignorant of long-standing plans...

Looks like you inadvertently used the perlite link from the other post for the article hyperlink... Moderator's note: Thanks. The post now has the proper link attached.

Or mascot for the current workhorse rocket?

Oh and that NASA page has a pic with terms on it... ...that sounds like its right from Rockwell Industries:

Hopefully with their NASA funding they can update their website from it's 90's GeoCities look... Snark aside... any thoughts on why Teflon for the medium?

HUD: very cool... would like to know what it displays... As is the integrated camera, but the phrasing in that VideoFromSpace youtube link is odd... it says camera providing temp and humidity data. I would assume those are separate sensors.... and while they may be overlaid on the camera feed...

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Largely agree... (and enjoy the citation of the BS Asymmetry Principle as well as use of "interlocutors")... I tend to give new(er) posters the benefit of the doubt and will explain disagrees and give them an opportunity for honest discourse. If they fail to do that and continue to instead to...

Interesting module on the table with its cover off... looks like either switching or an inverter. What's most interesting is that the tray under the cover seems about half empty: Cells removed? Doesn't seem like it...

I hope Elon's internal project name for whatever is happening is "Project Phoenix".

While it was originally started in the Investment thread, I thought this might be interesting to folks here: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/posts/8237215/

And, while it's not after hours, but perhaps to take the edge of what has been a rather contentious forum recently here on this fine Friday... these just came in the mail the other day:

I've seen some of those Apollo heat shields in person, and I think you can also tell in the pics above, and it doesn't seem as severe as those missing chunks on the Orian shield. The ablation was relatively even for the most part, and where there are missing sections, it appears the relatively...

Not sure I recall seeing that short nozzle before. Given that in vacuum, the bigger the nozzle the better, is using a shorter one a way to decrease cost/mass/volume when not needed?

It does sound deceptively simple, but the fact that NASA is willing to provide incentive to demonstrate it can be done... and that it hasn't been done previously... speaks to the challenges involved... and the fact that there's now a need to...

It really feels like in-tank bladders would solve some of these issues, but undoubtedly that's not easy with LOX cryo temps and the volumes in question...

Saw this yesterday: https://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Chinas_rocket_engine_test_sets_new_thrust_record_999.html

Right.. my intent when I said they'd be useful for manufacturing cars... so unsure what you mean by prefacing that with "Unless"?

I disagreed because I don't think the company has pivoted to AI/bots and that is in opposition to the mission. Elon sees FSD as critical to success, and has for a long time. And unlike other companies that rely on maps, semantic rule engines, etc... Tesla has focused on AGI as necessary for...

Please... let's strive for accuracy. It's "pwned".

Lots of angst over the dismissal of the SC and Destination Charging teams, as well as some key departures. As has been mentioned, Elon is in "Demon mode". It's one of the things I think sets him apart from most CEO's... his goals are such that he feels the need to keep his companies in "startup...

Not only did @SPadival explain what he said by literally quoting himself, and pointing out the punctuation that validates what he meant (and I'll point out you seem to have missed or don't understand the "i.e." that he prefaced "interim" with), but you inexplicably disagree with him explaining...

Indeed. And we don't know what internal goals were and if they may have been missed and by how badly....

The context was the amount of work that needs to be done with individual localities, site locations, contractor engagements, etc... Certainly, Starlink is complex technically, but there's relatively few ground locations by comparison, so that management complexity is probably on a different order.