Or the car just doesn't assume " any possible danger arising from either the car in the slow lane or the merging truck failing to give way in a timely manner"
-
Want to remove ads? Register an account and login to see fewer ads, and become a Supporting Member to remove almost all ads.
FSD experience
- Thread starter Berkshire1
- Start date
Or the car just doesn't assume " any possible danger arising from either the car in the slow lane or the merging truck failing to give way in a timely manner"
Yes, it "assumes" that the other two drivers will behave as rationally competent motorists. Maybe I've lived in California too long, but I do not assume that.
Amanfromconn
Member
I got free trial when I purchased MYLR last year for 3 month but hardly use it. It's too jerky. Kept changin lane on highway even with minimal lane change settings and it doesn't work when it's rainning. Got another free one month trial and though it would be better after so many software update but's still not for me yet. It was mistaken the route sign as a speed sign and it was going 15 Mph instead of 50 Mph. I do like the auto park though. Works really good. I wish I could subscribe to just that feature.
Last edited:
FSD from a year ago is very different than it it with V12. It may have a few quirks, but the good far outweighs the bad.
philw1776
Member
Agree wholeheartedly. Major steps forward.
My gripe list:
VERY S L O W proceeding after stops at a STOP sign. All these cameras & processing per should be faster, not slower, than a 90 yr old.
Exits highway ramps at highway speeds. DANGEROUS. Root problem: doesn't read any Yellow background exit speed limit signs used here in NH.
Misses speed limit signs on exits that are placed on the left seen in MA. Gotta drive in the real though stupid world for Robotaxi.
Still misses some well placed white background speed limit signs. How can this be? Very hard to understand this "easy do" one.
Gets confused mid transit on complex left turns, misses turn and brakes too late. At best irritates car behind. At worst causes rear end collision.
Amanfromconn
Member
I did not come to the current iteration of FSD with any prior experience or preconceived notions.
My first FSD drives brought back memories of ca. 1990 when the father of a friend introduced A320 to his airline. Oh boy, was the A320 initially controversial among pilots! I was in high school and considering an airline career so I was super interested and was reading a lot.
There are some notorious cases of crashed Airbuses due to human/machine interface miscommunication, even a major one that happened much later over the Atlantic. I also remember reading back then of autopilot throwing suddenly the plane back to the pilots when things get really rough. That was a particularly controversial point and a hot topic for the "FSD haters." Where are all the old school pilots now?
So FSD threw me back 30-35 years all the way to those almost forgotten memories that suddenly came alive.
Most impressive in my limited experience:
--As with every other automation, it is absolutely on a level of its own on routine tasks. Don't try to tell me you can hold 72mph or center of lane better than the car. Routines suck anyway.
--I experienced it do a darn good job in some tight traffic situations, merging, narrow construction zones. My very first FSD drive was about 12 miles with zero interventions. My second was similar--with one intervention.
Most problematic for now for me:
--Struggles with fast merging cars coming from the right on the interstate, happened to me and my wife as well. No idea why but disengaged in two nearly identical such situations;
--Drove way too close to a Vespa style bike even though at low speeds. Too close for comfort, had to take over. This is dangerous.
Back to where we started, Are We There Yet? No. But this won't end differently even if it might take a lot longer to get there.
Oh, yeah, and high profile accidents are unavoidable. What about rectangular windows on the early Comet jets? Did we stop flying jets or did we stop using rectangular windows?
Once the tech is full worked out, insurance for humans will likely start to skyrocket relative to robocar insurance, and the writing will be on the wall.
Which will suck for those who love driving (I do love offroading in my well-modded 4Runner, and I still like highway driving but town? Yikes, robots all the way).
And if you think anyone is catching Tesla on FSD, good luck. Remind me how many companies caught up with MSFT, APPL., AMZN, META, GOOG, NVDA? Boy was AMZN a laughing stock. Was NFLX a laughing stock.
My first FSD drives brought back memories of ca. 1990 when the father of a friend introduced A320 to his airline. Oh boy, was the A320 initially controversial among pilots! I was in high school and considering an airline career so I was super interested and was reading a lot.
There are some notorious cases of crashed Airbuses due to human/machine interface miscommunication, even a major one that happened much later over the Atlantic. I also remember reading back then of autopilot throwing suddenly the plane back to the pilots when things get really rough. That was a particularly controversial point and a hot topic for the "FSD haters." Where are all the old school pilots now?
So FSD threw me back 30-35 years all the way to those almost forgotten memories that suddenly came alive.
Most impressive in my limited experience:
--As with every other automation, it is absolutely on a level of its own on routine tasks. Don't try to tell me you can hold 72mph or center of lane better than the car. Routines suck anyway.
--I experienced it do a darn good job in some tight traffic situations, merging, narrow construction zones. My very first FSD drive was about 12 miles with zero interventions. My second was similar--with one intervention.
Most problematic for now for me:
--Struggles with fast merging cars coming from the right on the interstate, happened to me and my wife as well. No idea why but disengaged in two nearly identical such situations;
--Drove way too close to a Vespa style bike even though at low speeds. Too close for comfort, had to take over. This is dangerous.
Back to where we started, Are We There Yet? No. But this won't end differently even if it might take a lot longer to get there.
Oh, yeah, and high profile accidents are unavoidable. What about rectangular windows on the early Comet jets? Did we stop flying jets or did we stop using rectangular windows?
Once the tech is full worked out, insurance for humans will likely start to skyrocket relative to robocar insurance, and the writing will be on the wall.
Which will suck for those who love driving (I do love offroading in my well-modded 4Runner, and I still like highway driving but town? Yikes, robots all the way).
And if you think anyone is catching Tesla on FSD, good luck. Remind me how many companies caught up with MSFT, APPL., AMZN, META, GOOG, NVDA? Boy was AMZN a laughing stock. Was NFLX a laughing stock.
Tesla is staying on the side of safety at this point. It's better slow and sure than fast and dead.
Yellow signs with posted speeds are not Speed Limits, they are caution signs.
philw1776
Member
You're missing the point. Tesla's failure to read these signs means it exits the highway at 65mph into the exit turn, WAY too fast such that an intervention is required. You can criticize HW departments for making those signs yellow but REAL FSD must function in the real world of human stupidity. This dangerous behavior directly contradicts your " better slow and sure than fast and dead" attempt at a point.
Well, if anyone has doubts, Nvidia's Jensen's just confirmed that Tesla retains its immense lead:
finance.yahoo.com
And he also confirmed that Tesla's video-approach is the way to train the model. I am no engineer but deep learning is self-learning through enormous amounts of data, which in this case requires enormous amounts of video, which is what Tesla has already accumulated--and keeps accumulating daily--and what it can use to let the model learn on its own.
Maybe politics or something else will stand in the way of autonomous driving, but short of various disastrous scenarios for the US and the world, it will more likely than not happen eventually and it will be shocking if Tesla is not the biggest winner.
Nvidia CEO says Tesla 'far ahead' in self-driving tech as autonomous driving efforts boost chip demand
Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang believes Tesla’s full self-driving is the most advanced system out right now. It also just so happens that Tesla’s FSD is powered by Nvidia chips.
And he also confirmed that Tesla's video-approach is the way to train the model. I am no engineer but deep learning is self-learning through enormous amounts of data, which in this case requires enormous amounts of video, which is what Tesla has already accumulated--and keeps accumulating daily--and what it can use to let the model learn on its own.
Maybe politics or something else will stand in the way of autonomous driving, but short of various disastrous scenarios for the US and the world, it will more likely than not happen eventually and it will be shocking if Tesla is not the biggest winner.
I see what you are saying, you think that the car should obey advisory speed recommendations.
Yellow signs are NOT REGULATORY. That's why they are yellow.
Aside from not following the advisory speed signs (most people don't) does the car bring you to a safe and comfortable stop? Mine does.
The car is not intended to drive the way that YOU drive. It may go faster; it may go slower.
Do you really want the car to follow the yellow caution speeds? If so, get your passenger to remind you of every time that you are exceeding it. (and don't have 10 cars lined up behind you because you are driving too slow)
philw1776
Member
Again you miss the point.
The car should NOT still be going 65MPH on an exit curve. Were I not to intervene, the car would CRASH. Is this FSD with no intervention?
I do not care HOW the car decides not to kill me, just that it does not kill me.
How hard is this to understand?
The car should NOT still be going 65MPH on an exit curve. Were I not to intervene, the car would CRASH. Is this FSD with no intervention?
I do not care HOW the car decides not to kill me, just that it does not kill me.
How hard is this to understand?
When my car is set to 75 on the freeway, and the exit is approaching, the set speed lowers as the car changes lanes for the exit. Usually it drops to 65. Then, as the car gets into the exit lane, it switches to v12.3.6 and speed switches to Auto Max, and the car slows down on the curve. Seems like your car is staying on the old v11 code with a set speed on the exit.
philw1776
Member
Easiest way to tell is make sure ASSO is enabled (Automatic Set Speed Offset), so you can see it switching from freeway (which shows a numeric value for speed) to v12 city-streets with Auto | Max where the speed limit should be.
Why not? I've got exits posted at 70mph!
I suspect that you are assuming that the car will crash. Odds are that if you gave it a chance, it will successfully navigate the turn. If it is a route that you take often, try rolling the speed down to what you feel is safe and see if it will then drive it successfully. Next time, set the speed for 5 mph faster, and the same for subsequent times as you start to feel safer with what the car will do.
Once the car realizes that it can't perform the maneuver, it WILL YELL at you. Loud alarm and big red screen occurs.
4 years ago, sure, FSD wouldn't do it. But it's been quite successful for the last few years.
And this statement is not really pointed at you, but FSD really needs training. No, not AI training, driver training. You have to get used to trusting FSD.
philw1776
Member
Yellow posted speed 35mph which is reasonable although I'd drive at 40ish. Car does freak out. Every time. How is this robotaxi?
How does it freak out?
And as I said, what does the car do if you roll the speed down?
FSD made it through the dragon a few years ago on FSD.
Both of my cars have no issues with cloverleaf exit ramps (and they don't read the yellow signs)
I remember years ago coming into Orlando on the tollway and transitioning to the Interstate. Most people tend to mess it up the first time, But it easily maneuvered from a 70 mph to a 25-mph left hand 270 and then to a 25-mph right-hand 360 and back to 70 mph.
Similar threads
