FSD v12.x (end to end AI)

[JulienW]

If the email was real that dictated vehicles post service to receive 12.3.1 and currently 12.3.2.1 is out then it's entirely possible opening a ticket or getting on service WiFi to check for an update could trigger it to be pushed to your car.

Looks like this is only going to NEW cars and probably pre titled.

 

[JohnB007]

Has anyone experienced curve related damage from the .1 release?

I haven't experienced the v12.3 so I have nothing to compare against but so far, the .1 version seems to be leaving some room when turning right

 

[swedge]

Visualizations and speed changes. It's really easy to see if you have Automax on.

Could you be a bit more specific about how to tell when it is on v11 vs v12 stack. I know it was mentioned before, but scrolling through hundreds of posts...

I am asking because I am still seeing V12.3.1 still have difficulties with a particular freeway merge where the on-lane quickly turns into an off-lane. Sometimes it makes the merge, sometimes it takes the exit, and some times it drives into the thick white line triangle gore area and then swerves out, one way or the other. Stuff happens fast, but I'd like to know if it V12 messing up or not. V11 had the same problem. There is plenty of room for human drivers to merge, so this is an FSD problem. Hopefully it is a V11 issue, soon to be moot.

 

[mongo]

https://www.plain_site.org/documents/2jq1jw/california-dmv-tesla-followup-emails/

Of course Tesla is lying and FSD beta is actually L5 (beta of course) but we don’t need to have that argument again.

Safety tip: plainsite is run by/ associated with Aaron Greenspan...

 

[Daniel in SD]

Safety tip: plainsite is run by/ associated with Aaron Greenspan...

Ah, it makes more sense now. I always suspected the documents were forged because they incorrectly identified FSD beta as an L2 system and not a beta version of an L5 system.

 

[AlanSubie4Life]

Could you be a bit more specific about how to tell when it is on v11 vs v12 stack. I know it was mentioned before, but scrolling through hundreds of posts...

I am asking because I am still seeing V12.3.1 still have difficulties with a particular freeway merge where the on-lane quickly turns into an off-lane. Sometimes it makes the merge, sometimes it takes the exit, and some times it drives into the thick white line triangle gore area and then swerves out, one way or the other. Stuff happens fast, but I'd like to know if it V12 messing up or not. V11 had the same problem. There is plenty of room for human drivers to merge, so this is an FSD problem. Hopefully it is a V11 issue, soon to be moot.

Auto Max indicator appears/disappears when in ASSO “Ass*o**” mode and tentacle/snake length (subtle).

 

[enemji]

Interviewer: Will your system be SAE level 5?
Elon: Yes.

It was more of a ???ye????s????…..???….

 

[KLam]

Could you be a bit more specific about how to tell when it is on v11 vs v12 stack. I know it was mentioned before, but scrolling through hundreds of posts...

I am asking because I am still seeing V12.3.1 still have difficulties with a particular freeway merge where the on-lane quickly turns into an off-lane. Sometimes it makes the merge, sometimes it takes the exit, and some times it drives into the thick white line triangle gore area and then swerves out, one way or the other. Stuff happens fast, but I'd like to know if it V12 messing up or not. V11 had the same problem. There is plenty of room for human drivers to merge, so this is an FSD problem. Hopefully it is a V11 issue, soon to be moot.

If you set to Auto Max Speed, the transition is where the Auto Max Speed indication turns to a Max Speed Number or vice versa.

 

[mongo]

Ah, it makes more sense now. I always suspected the documents were forged because they incorrectly identified FSD beta as an L2 system and not a beta version of an L5 system.

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I'm not commenting on the documents, I'm commenting on the web server and alluding to the issues people have had from going to it...

 

[swedge]

I never drive without MLC enabled - it's muscle memory every time I get into the car. That said, the car will change lanes more on v12 than it used to on v11. I've even experienced what others here have reported where the car will change lanes away from an upcoming turn for no apparent reason. However, my experiences have been the lane change well in advance (1/2 a mile or so), so the car changes lanes and then shortly after changes right back for the upcoming turn. I have not yet experienced the lane change a few hundred feet before the turn and then missing the turn.

I turn on Minimal Lane Changes every time as well. Here is why: My job is to supervise FSD. This means I need to anticipate what it will do and intervene if it does something unexpected. FSD make with MCL off makes random lane changes with too little warning for me the scan the full situation. That scan takes time, in part because judging the speed of cars approaching from behind requires watching for longer than a quick glance, and I don't stare at the rearview mirrors while freeway driving, of course.

I have done a bit time non-MLC observation, and plan to do more, but since it is still V11 it is not time yet.

 

[JohnB007]

I turn on Minimal Lane Changes every time as well. Here is why: My job is to supervise FSD. This means I need to anticipate what it will do and intervene if it does something unexpected. FSD make with MCL off makes random lane changes with too little warning for me the scan the full situation. That scan takes time, in part because judging the speed of cars approaching from behind requires watching for longer than a quick glance, and I don't stare at the rearview mirrors while freeway driving, of course.

I have done a bit time non-MLC observation, and plan to do more, but since it is still V11 it is not time yet.

I used to use MLC quite a bit on V11. The question though, is if MLC makes any difference when V12 is used. Anyone?

 

[uscbucsfan]

Links to documents/videos where he has said so. Please.

Elon Musk Predicts Level 4 Or 5 Full Self-Driving 'Later This Year' For the Tenth Year In A Row - The Autopian

There are lots of things I don’t understand. Dutch. Crocs worn by people over 14 or if you’re not wading in water. String theory. People who get really into wine. But, perhaps most significantly, I absolutely do not understand why Elon Musk, noted billionaire, entrepreneur, Twitter messer-upper...

www.theautopian.com

Elon saying that FSD will achieve either level 4 or 5 this year (last year).

Update Vehicle Firmware to Improve Certain FSD Beta Driving Operations | Tesla Support

Tesla has issued a voluntary recall on certain Model S, Model 3, Model X and Model Y vehicles that have installed or pending installation of software that contains the Full Self-Driving (FSD) Beta feature. This recall affects only US and CA vehicles. Affected vehicles were identified based on...

www.tesla.com

After the recall in 2023, Tesla called FSD Beta a SAE Level 2 driver support feature.

FSD Beta is an SAE Level 2 driver support feature that can provide steering and braking/acceleration support to the driver under certain operating limitations. With FSD Beta, as with all SAE Level 2 driver support features, the driver is responsible for operation of the vehicle whenever the feature is engaged and must constantly supervise the feature and intervene (e.g., steer, brake or accelerate) as needed to maintain safe operation of the vehicle.

Tesla stating FSD is level 2 to California in 2021:

Tesla Admits Current ‘Full Self-Driving Beta’ Will Always Be a Level 2 System: Emails

A Tesla regulatory counsel told the California DMV that it will remain a hands-on system.

www.thedrive.com

"City Streets continues to firmly root the vehicle in SAE Level 2 capability and does not make it autonomous under the DMV’s definition," wrote Eric Williams, Tesla associate general counsel, in a statement attached to an email with the California DMV. "City Streets’ capabilities with respect to the object and event detection and response (OEDR) sub-task are limited, as there are circumstances and events to which the system is not capable of recognizing or responding."

Also, during AI day, the SAE levels were mentioned by multiple people, including Elon.

Will that suffice?

V11 was categorized by Tesla corporate, not just Elon, as Level 2 just last year because it is. It meets the definition of an SAE L2 system and doesn't meet L3-5, yet.

I feel like you understand this, but are just being difficult.

 

[JulienW]

It was more of a ???ye????s????…..???….

 

[swedge]

If you set to Auto Max Speed, the transition is where the Auto Max Speed indication turns to a Max Speed Number or vice versa.

Ah! I'm yet to try Auto Speeding. (As far as I know, FSD does not recognize or slow down for CHP or other LEO lurkers.) I'll try it out anyway next time I test that trouble spot.

Are there any other V11 v. V12 cues's you've observed? Something about visualizations I think someone mentioned perhaps?

 

[JB47394]

I used to use MLC quite a bit on V11. The question though, is if MLC makes any difference when V12 is used. Anyone?

The highway is still using the V11 software, so it behaves the same. As I recall, something recently changed on the highway code, but I can't recall what it was.

 

[uscbucsfan]

Any hyperlinks to those documents?

They've been posted. It's also on Tesla's website right now that FSD Beta is a SAE Level 2 driver assist program, which was also linked.

 

[SidetrackedSue]

If the email was real that dictated vehicles post service to receive 12.3.1 and currently 12.3.2.1 is out then it's entirely possible opening a ticket or getting on service WiFi to check for an update could trigger it to be pushed to your car.

Since my experiment to see if tesla would push the recalls over LTE has not borne fruit, I suppose I can change to a new experiment.

Car will go into our service call next week with the version noted in my signature. We'll see what it comes out with, the 2023.44.30.14 it is currently being offered or , 2023.44.30.30, the Canadian version with V12.3.1. Or will I end up with a 2024 version?

 

[JulienW]

Since my experiment to see if tesla would push the recalls over LTE has not borne fruit, I suppose I can change to a new experiment.

Car will go into our service call next week with the version noted in my signature. We'll see what it comes out with, the 2023.44.30.14 it is currently being offered or , 2023.44.30.30, the Canadian version with V12.3.1. Or will I end up with a 2024 version?

You should be able to check what version you will get by clicking on the Yellow download arrow at the top of the screen. It well say to connect to WiFi to download and the version is listed in the Software Menu.

 

[FSDtester#1]

I think people don’t realize how little control the states have on stuff the government wants to put their dirty little hands on, while they have a lot of control on everything else.

Let’s think of what happened when the government wanted to change the legal BAC for driving.

Yep, I remember. You instantly went from 1 dui per year to 4.

 

[Ramphex]

Since my experiment to see if tesla would push the recalls over LTE has not borne fruit, I suppose I can change to a new experiment.

Car will go into our service call next week with the version noted in my signature. We'll see what it comes out with, the 2023.44.30.14 it is currently being offered or , 2023.44.30.30, the Canadian version with V12.3.1. Or will I end up with a 2024 version?

There was a short period of time where they pushed entire FSDj updates over the air.