rxlawdude
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Let's also not forget Hyundai's history of not being forthright with their fuel consumption figures.
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Yeah, the Ioniq is looking like a dud. Shame.
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Assuming the Hyundai Ioniq has a decent range (practically a given due to the announced use of "next-gen LG Chem batteries") and no major quality issues I predict this car will sell very well in both the PHEV and EV variants in 2016+.
Well it looks like the Ioniq is going to be dud. Less range than a Nissan leaf (105 vs. 107). What does that say about about "LG Chem next gen batteries"? Hyundai IONIQ Electric Has A 28 kWh Battery, 105 Miles Real Range
That Hyundai are too cheap to put more than 28kW worth of them into their car? The range is disappointing but what did we expect here? Hyundai's stake in the automotive industry is not to lead but to follow by providing low cost, reliable alternatives to other cars on the market - and the IONIQ is in line with this.
the Kia Soul EV uses Samsung batteries. (well GM and Nissan come to mind anyway)
I would say the median expectation is that the Model 3 will have 55 kWh in the base config and maybe 75 kWh in the top config.Anyone know how many kw the Model 3 will have?
At the Geneva auto show they are saying 155 miles of range. With 28 kw that amounts to 180 watts per mile which seems impossible to me. at 100 miles of range that's 280 watts, which seems more realistic. Turn on the heater, and you're down to 75. Plus every night you have to full charge this vehicle. Anyone know how many kw the Model 3 will have?
The Ioniq will need to compete on price and features.
You'd think Hyundai would be a little further ahead on the range issue.
I doubt that the Model 3 will not have the space available to pack 75kWh worth of batteries into. My expectation is that the base pack will be around 50kW with an option for 65kW. But like everyone, I am just guessing.I would say the median expectation is that the Model 3 will have 55 kWh in the base config and maybe 75 kWh in the top config.
The Ioniq will not be a direct Model 3 competitor because it will likely have much less range. Also, no properly designed high speed charging network.The 155 mile is the unrealistic NEDC rating and similar to the 30 kWh 2016 Nissan Leaf. Hyundai is saying the EPA-like Korean rating should be ~110 miles. The Ioniq will need to compete on price and features.
Space shouldn't be an issue. The Bolt has room for 60 kWh, and it is a smaller car. Tesla will also probably have a more energy dense pack, using the new ~20700 battery cell format and a newer chemistry. They might have to stack some of the modules under the rear seats or at the front like the Model S/X, though.I doubt that the Model 3 will not have the space available to pack 75kWh worth of batteries into. My expectation is that the base pack will be around 50kW with an option for 65kW. But like everyone, I am just guessing.