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Reciprocity
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Its almost like Elon is shopping around for the best deal. Maybe he got a pre-approval and just shopping for the best financing like when you buy home. You may not have even decided how much down you are going to put. So the first thing you do is go get a pre-approval so that you can be taken seriously be sellers. Then you do the hard work of finding out exactly how you will structure the deal. How much down, Home equity line of credit, 15 year or 30 year. There are a lot of factors, but it does not mean that you are not pre-approved or pre-qualified.
Nothing like the Saudis buying 5% of the company to get the bidding war kicked off.
Reciprocity
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I wondered the exact same thing after reading how the VW squeeze went down. Its an often overlooked component. Porsche was buying up calls which totaled 31% of the companies stock. These are not actual shares, just a contract to purchase them at a set price. This actually created an outstanding number of shares over 100% where the vast majority where controlled by one group, and they where not selling.
How does this apply to Tesla? Who knows who has been acquiring calls over the last year. 500,000 contracts would control 31% of the company, combined with Elon's 20%, that is 51%. If that person happens to be a resident of Silicon Valley, that would be interesting. Now you might say that is in insider trading, but it doesnt have to be. If the purchases started a year go and there wouldnt need to be any communication or coordination. That person has every right to have a standing offer with Elon for a go private deal and even Elon might not be aware that this person or entity has amassed 500,000 call options. It wouldnt even be that expensive if they are high enough and far enough out. Each contract could be $20 each for $10,000,000 to control 50M shares and it wouldnt necessarily be that risky because the stock is hyper growth anyway.
sundaymorning
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Yes, the bandwidth to open a text from his source then tweet the number is off the charts.
Well he does have to figure out how to round them to obfuscate the source a little bit as well.
Johan
Ex got M3 in the divorce, waiting for EU Model Y!
Saudis eh? Not sure how I feel about that. I know they're "divesting out of oil" and all that, "going green" and all that... But in my personal experience, from dealing with Saudis and from a good friend of mine who lived and worked in the UAE for 10+ years, I'm not sure they'd be a good fit for TSLA if they want to become "active owners".
TrendTrader007
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i agree with your hypothesis. i have been closely watching J19 call options trading and on Thursday over 3000 calls were traded at average price of $80 or so comes to approximately $24 million or so if my math is correct and on Friday OI jumped from 9k to well over 11k
i would not be surprised if similar to Porsche quietly acquiring VW call options in 2008 and then causing a short squeeze in October 2008 something similar develops here pretty soon
do not forget VW only had 12 to 13% of its float shorted unlike 27% of tesla. this could cause a major short squeeze
Mod: starting now, I am going to be aggressively moving discussion about who can or can't participate in unlisted stock to appropriate threads. In some cases I will just delete purely speculative replies. So please take the discussions there. --ggr.
Holding shares in a private Tesla outside the US
"Going Private = Forced Liquidation" for many Investors
Go private options strategies
Holding shares in a private Tesla outside the US
"Going Private = Forced Liquidation" for many Investors
Go private options strategies
So TrendTrader's strategy might actually work...
TrendTrader007
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it is a full time job. no kidding.in the last few months i have had swings in my portfolio worth 10 years of income so yes the next several days and weeks demand total undivided attention
Want to add specifically for SA investment there is also a thread here Saudi Arabia (out of Market Action)
Just wasted 30 seconds of my life figuring out due diligence.
Off Shore
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Actually, a good investment if you're going to hang here...
TrendTrader007
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$TSLA for the next 2 to 6 months throw all the fundamentals out the window
Timing is #1 and #2
Timing is everything
position size is secondary or even tertiary
whoever times this thing shall be the king
Timing is #1 and #2
Timing is everything
position size is secondary or even tertiary
whoever times this thing shall be the king
bdy0627
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Point taken. It saved me about 4 seconds to do the abbreviation, but I didn't think it would cost time for others.
TrendTrader007
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I doubt it $TSLA over the next 3 months at $490 or less is a lousy short between $490 to $570 is a possibly fair short, $570 to $700 is a decent short and 700 to $1000 is a compelling short Huge caveat: 3 months and no more beyond that all bets are off
Form 13 filings show FMR' holdings as:
12/31/17 16,819,987
3/31/18 14,214,496
6/30/ 18 11,196,766
How much did FMR hold on either 7 August or yesterday?3/31/18 14,214,496
6/30/ 18 11,196,766
TrendTrader007
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If Elon wants to destroy shorts, this is what he will do, He will tell his big guns investors start buying stock in open market and in a mean Time Tesla won’t completely clarify until stock reaches 420, short sellers will stay in denial until stock reaches 420, then panic start among them and stock goes even higher.
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