Highway efficiency is impressive even compared to the Model 3
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Yep, got to admit it, Lucid seems to have built a great car as these numbers are impressive. Of course the pricing is high, but for a luxury EV these should sell extremely well as long as they can achieve high quality levels.
Seems like some Tesla competition has finally arrived! As long as Lucid can hit decent production volumes that is.
I'm still buying a Model Y LR though, as it's just a much better value for me.
RobStark
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Smaller motors ,reduction gear, and electronics.
Less room for machine more for man is what Lucid claims.
More roomy than a Mercedes S Class.
We shall see once the car is in the wild and journalist and utubbers get their hands on them.
mltv
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mltv
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Annnnnnd busted.......so much for that superior tech
Turns out it's kinda easy to hit 500 mile range in a sedan if you put a giant battery in there.
RobStark
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Isn't that the same confusion I had earlier? Doesn't the EPA rating mean it takes 140 kWh from the wall to fully charge the battery (including charging losses), not that the battery itself is actually 140 kWh?
Yuri_G
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Look at the EPA efficiency. The pack has to be bigger than 113 kWh to get ~520 miles of range at 260 Wh/mile. The math doesn't work...
Last time this came up I was told the EPA ratings are power from the wall, so you have to subtract charging losses to get to actual battery size. (e.g. it would consume less than 260 Wh/mile out of the battery to run)
Yep. But don't forget that the EPA numbers are from the wall. So subtract ~10% for charging losses. (That still puts the battery around 125kWh.)
People in that thread have applied the same math to the Model S which suggests the Model S actually has a battery size of 114 kW. There's not really any other way to look at it other than the battery in the Lucid is much much higher than what Lucid is saying it is. Lucid's claim of 500 miles on a 113 kW battery have always seemed very fishy.
Doggydogworld
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Yes, exactly. At 90% charging efficiency the usable battery capacity would be 126 kWh. At 85% efficiency it'd be 119 kWh. 80% would be 112 kWh usable, but that's pretty awful. I can't see why they'd obsess for years over vehicle efficiency then install crappy charging components.
Model S LR is 28 kWh/100 mile EPA and Lucid Air Dream R is 27. So there's only a few percent efficiency difference. If charging efficiency is equal then Dream R battery is 24% larger than S LR.
RobStark
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If Air Dream R has 28.4% more range, is 3.6% more efficient, .4 seconds quicker to 60, and is at least as roomy/comfortable on the inside as a Model S LR that is impressive.
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Don't forget the starting price being ~55% higher than the Model S LR. (And we still don't know what will be optional, or how much those options will cost do we?)
RobStark
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The "starting price" for Air is $77.4k and is eligible for the $7500 Fed Credit. Which may change.
And you can get the Air GT with 516 EPA miles for $30k less than the Dream.
Dream is pretty much loaded. Options are the wheels.
Tesla and Air have different options.
Air comes with 32 sensors for promised level 3+ autonomy in the future but not full self driving. Doesn't come with advance gaming capability.
Does come with bidirectional charging wunderbox, 900 v system capable of over 300 kW charging (325-350?) leather seats, more sound insulation. Plus you get the exclusivity of Lucid. When I go to my local mall there are at least 3 other Model S in the parking lot. I know West Los Angeles isn't typical of the rest of America but Lucid ain't selling many Airs in Kansas.
Lots of little differences one can pick at.
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Sure, but the "Air Pure", at that starting price, doesn't have the specs you quoted. I was quoting the starting price for what would have the range you quoted, the "Air Grand Touring". If you want to compare the Dream edition it costs ~88% more than the Model S LR.
The price I was referencing, $139k/~55% more than the Model S LR, is for the "Air Grand Touring". Not the Dream edition, that is sold out, and costs $169k.
Again, I didn't quote the price of the Dream edition. And I haven't seen what is optional on the "Air Grand Touring".
mltv
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Lucid is a combo of 'Tesla and Ferrari': BofA analyst
Lucid Motors (LCID) shares rose 7% after a bullish Wall Street analyst note along with confirmation from the Environmental Protection Agency that the EV maker's premium tier car has a higher mile range than Tesla's model S (TSLA).
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