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FSD v12.x (end to end AI)
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- #fixphantombraking autopilot chill is not chill elon is an ass fix fsd extreme late deceleration fsd does not commit to go fsd does not maintain proper speed fsd hard and late braking fsd jerky driving fsd late deceleration fsd stops too early too quickly fsd stops too far behind line fsd tailgating in city streets
EVNow
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At $100 a piece, that is 20k pieces. Too small a number for cars but too big for assembly line or Optimus.
At $1,000 a piece, that is 2k pieces. Too small a number for cars but just ok for assembly line or Optimus.
If it is a "sample" for vehicles, the quantity is too large.
Always been meaning to ask you. Do you get tired since you never stop running and gotta go fast?
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
I expect you’ll be wrong for 12.5 with reasonably busy traffic conditions. It could be fine if they are all rollers. Like it is now.
I just expect zero progress. They seem constitutionally incapable of it and I expect no progress until they do a strategic reorg of their flagging AI team.
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I sure hope not. I want off of this 3.25 and onto new features that were introduced in 8.X and 14.X. I could care less about FSD....fun trial but I'll only subscribe for my July road trip to get EAP, don't care what version of FSD is on it.
If you unsubscribe you will likely be updated to the newer software and no longer in the most current FSDS release.
exactly this ^^
It took no more than a day or two after I moved FSD to my Model Y before my old Model 3 switched from 2023.44.30 up to 2024.2.7.
Right now my FSD car is on 2024.3.25 and the non-FSD car is 2024.8.9
I'm not subscribed. So far no cars on 3.25 have moved to anything looking at TeslaFi data. I would guess the large majority of these cars are people who aren't subscribed. We got the free trial, we had 30 days of fun and we are done with it. We'd rather move on if we aren't planning to subscribe.
Todd Burch
14-Year Member
Based on that description, I don’t know what the heck you were using or what your settings are but it wasn’t FSD v12.
I have literally had 3 consecutive 45 minute drives to work this week where I did nothing but press the accelerator to help it along.
FSDtester#1
"Circle Jerk Old Guard" per cyborgLIS aka "CJOG"
Agreed, fastest ignore button in Tmc history... it was a TeslaQ post.
EVNow
Well-Known Member
I disagree. We need to able to take different experiences as they are stated. Their experience is as true to them as the above post about not any disengagement in 45 minutes drives are to the above poster.
I had my first safety intervention today in over a month of using it. It freaked out over a jogger at the side of the road. It usually handles them fine by crossing into the other lane a little to give them some space. My guess is that it couldn’t see around the curve on the road to determine that was safe, so it started beeping and I had to take over. It turns out the jogger was the head football coach at Texas, so running him over would have gone over particularly badly.
dhanson865
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You are on the Internet reading my post. I could care less, but if I did I wouldn't bother typing this.
If I couldn't care less I wouldn't have bothered writing this.
Anyone that says they couldn't care less and bothers to type out a big post, isn't speaking accurately or being honest.
Todd Burch
14-Year Member
Yeah I’m not claiming the poster is lying…but something isn’t right. The described behavior is not characteristic of v12 running properly. Maybe the car needs a reboot, calibration, or something else.
Ben W
Chess Grandmaster (Supervised)
I interpreted the post as taking a few minor but real v12 flaws, and overexaggerating them for attempted comedic effect.
The current state of FSD (to me) is that it's incredibly mind-blowingly amazing, yet at the same time, not nearly where it needs to be. The incredible part is the super-wide ODD and general competency at most things, including a very humanlike driving style much of the time. The "not nearly" part is for still having to disengage every couple miles for simple, sometimes inexplicable mistakes, such as trying to drive straight from a well-marked left-turn-only lane, or being oblivious to large potholes, or being inadvertently rude to other drivers. (Also for making me goose the accelerator far more often than I'd like, which sometimes makes it feel like I'm manually controlling the speed with one-pedal driving, to the point that all FSD is doing is side-to-side lanekeeping.)
It's been observed that most airplane crashes are typically the result of about seven compounding mistakes, any small subset of which would be minor on their own. Car crashes also often involve multiple mistakes; a combination of one car doing something unexpected, and another car not paying attention or not being able to react in time to take evasive action. As such, reducing car crashes may ultimately be as much about reducing common minor mistakes (e.g. doing something erratic or unexpected, even if not illegal or directly dangerous) as it is about reducing the rarer major mistakes. This blurs the line of what constitutes a "safety intervention": if driving predictably enhances safety, then driving erratically decreases it. An intervention could thus be considered a "safety intervention" without having to be an "imminent collision intervention", at least in my book.
As incredible as FSD v12 is, I still believe it's many years away from full L4, and probably will never reach it with the current hardware stack. So the question becomes, what constitutes useful L2 (or L3)? I think that useful city-streets L2 will be when the most common head-scratching failures are solved; turning from incorrect lanes, ignoring lane guides, being oblivious to large potholes and road debris, irritating other drivers. The car needs to drive in a way that combines efficiency (proper speed and lane selection, and accepting the right of way) with being polite to other drivers and not getting honked at. When FSD can regularly do a 10-mile drive through complicated urban traffic and street patterns without making me wince, I'll consider that useful city-streets L2. (It's already useful L2 on highway, and has been for several years.) Bring on v12.4, I can't wait!
tmoz
S85D, Y LR, ex Prius PiP
Perhaps. I will try the reboot and camera calibration as it was coincident with the 14.6 update. Hoping for the best.
It will happen BUT only whenever Tesla "decides" to put you in the queue. So far not that many cars have received 24.14.x so you are still in the majority. New integrated updates like this ebb and flow and take some time to test on all hardware combinations for small bugs. Likely why we had 24.14.5 and that was updated to 24.14.6. Usually once all the bugs are ironed out you will then see a huge increase in the number of Teslas getting a new update. This is the most likely time you will get it.
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