Search results

The beauty of Plaid vehicles, is that their price will always be "shielded' by the MS-LR or MS-SR (and of course the MY or M3 cause most people would rather get a 2-4 years old MS or MX than a new MY or M3 (I said most not all). A plaid, for same mileage and condition, will always be at least...

I am more inclined towards the Plaid but I have a feeling that a MY24 would HW4 would also hold it's value somewhat really well too. If their estimated value drop in 3-years from now based on the current prices of each is the same, it just makes more sense to get the 2024 MS in that case. that...

Choose one answer (see poll above)... What do you think? Assuming same out-of-pocket now, which one is better value for the money? By how much do you think each of them will depreciate in 3 years if I add 30K miles to each by then?

Also, Tesla has announced another discounts ranging from $7,700-$9,600 USD on Model S and Model X vehicles sold in China....

May not be related, but just FYI, BMW does that in all their batteries at least for the PHEV vehicles. They lock 20% of the battery to maintain battery life. In fact, in 2016 they released the BMW 530e PHEV, and a year after through a recall they adjusted the software to lock 15% of the...

I get that, but I think at least from a future re-sale point of view and value, it might matter just a bit especially if sold in 2 or 3 years from now. In 2025, a Tesla Model S model year 2024 would have a different value than a 2023 model year sold in 2025. It might be an illusion, but I feel...

Well this is encouraging. If there is a chance that October will be a 2024 model year for MS, I might submit and order by Sep 1 and give it a try.

Yes I get that, but isn't possible for them to still label a vehicle as a Model Year 2024, and sell it in October, while it would still count as part of the 2023 sale numbers? That's what all other manufacturers do. In fact, BMW X7 model year 2024 has been selling since April 1st 2023...

Does anyone know when would the 2024 model years start manufacturing wise (at least based on previous years trends?)? If I order one, I want to submit my order in a timely manner so that it is labeled as 2024 model year not 2023 (at least as far as re-sale value, might be more attractive).

How does pre oct 2016 cars with AP1 operation for autopilot (lane keeping assist accuracy wise) compared to newer AP2 or even 2023 cars with standard Autopilot?

Assuming a Tesla Model X, model year 2016, with the first and basic hardware available then, what options do I have to upgrade it to the most recent FSD computer? And how about MCU and HW upgrades? Excuse my lack of understanding and poor description (I welcome any intro or educational tips)...

Thanks for sharing. It's actually interesting. Based on the test, despite the title, the MS loses hands down to Lucid. I get the 1 second thing, but 100% the Lucid driver had much less range anxiety down the road and still arrived around same time with much more battery left. This is not to...

Like I mentioned above, I agree you that I have been a bit dramatic about the range and that I should rather focus on the charging speed than 30-40 miles difference in range...

Actually this is super helpful. I appreciate the feedback. ...

This is VERY useful for someone coming from the outside to see this. I agree with previous comments that me (the OP) is a bit dramatic about the range and that I should rather focus on the charging speed than 30-40 miles difference in range......

I depends on where you live. I see your location is Bellevue, so that makes sense. As for where I am, there is probably no more than 5-10 Tesla cars in the entire city, lol : P :P

Same here…. Going through the debate of whether I should go to the EQS 580 or the MS LR/Plaid. The price difference between the two (pre-owned) is not huge. All am hearing everywhere is that EQS has much better real-life** mileage as well as more luxury and ride comfort. Hence deciding...

August 2023 now... any updates on at least whether the re-refresh headlights can be retrofitted? I heard that the re-refresh headlights have a slightly better performance at night that the refresh.

My preference is to get the MS LR… but most of the MS LR are over-priced….. for just another 15K than the average over-priced MS LR on the market, I can get a Plaid with FSD…. I would rather pay the additional 15K and get Plaid with FSD, than a standard MS LR…. Better value for the money and...

If it’s the same exact battery, and same exact equipment, say I get it out of the plaid mode during a trip, is it fair to say that it will get then the same exact mileage as the MS LR under normal or non-plaid drive mode? I think thought there are differences in the heat pump as well as battery...

How does the Plaid handle different from the MS LR? I get the hp and torque stuff, but at normal speed and in-town or highway driving, do they feel any different and/or are they equipped with any other more premium equipment or suspensions that makes the Plaid dynamically feel better than MS LR?

Yes, I've been keeping my eyes on this one. I've seen most and every MS LR on CarsAndBids going for low 60s, and I think this is where their current market is. If this one had the white interior, I would have submitted a bid on it. I will wait for the next one. Seems like CarsAndBids are...

Yes, that's right too.

To each his own way man. You seem to repeatedly criticize my approach of asking questions. if it's repetitive to you, ignore them. I am yet to learn anything new or get a useful answer from you, so just pass on my questions instead of criticizing. I am not here to debate or prove to you...

Can you share what you think is the more accurate stats for the LR vs Plaid with the wheels size mentioned too, while also mentioning the battery span for your reference data points? I'd appreciate that. As for range, it's kinda critical because anything that has 260 miles range for the 10 to...

As a car guy, the only reason am cross shopping the MS to the EQS or Taycan is because I am impressed by the tech and FSD in the Tesla. Just worried if it's too bad on the comfort side that it may kill the fun of tech and FSD. Still waiting for a test drive. Each time I schedule one they get...

Discouraging (but very useful) real-life experience here. I am impressed by the UI and FSD in Tesla cars based on what I noticed, but the comfort and build-quality comments are something to keep in mind. I appreciate it. Wish I can find a fully loaded but reasonably priced EQS around… hard to...

Well, if that’s what you do, then good for you. I don’t wake up and buy a car just like that as in your approach, and yes, I spend months researching and shopping. BUT, I guarantee you, the end results, price, and spec’s of eveyr car I owned in the past what I end up getting after months of...

More details please on how a perfect EQS ride would compare to MS? Keep power and acceleration aside.

The fact that most Tesla owners report that they get impressed (even on the comfort side) when they ride in a Mbenz EV car is a concern to me, especially that I have been driving BMWs and Mbenz. I think I can scarify luxury, this would be 100% okay by me, but what I do NOT want to scarify is...

I forgot to add that my cars don't last that long. I never ever (in my life) kept any of my cars longer than 3 years. The only exception was my Lexus LS 430 back in the days that lasted a happy 5 years. In the past ~6-7 years, I have averaged 1 year and 1 month of ownership per car. For the...

I feel that buying from a dealer or private seller would still give be a better value for the money overall than buying from Tesla.com.... I'll keep trying; otherwise a MS Plaid seems like a better car overall even if it comes at a higher price..... would rather get a Plaid than over-paying for...

I appreciate your help, but I could not validate any of these claims on the tesla website for a MS that is less than 1000 miles for the refresh design in the 70Ks range Thanks a lot anyway, got your feedback. I appreciate it. Let's see what others say.

Link for ones with <1000 miles in the 70s? Also, if it has less than 1000 miles and already offered for sale, makes me wonder why..

I know I won't need maintenance much, but I am not willing to get a car that would need to be towed across 3-4 states when I need something serviced. I would rather stay with Mbenz and Tesla just for the peace of mind that they have shops at least within 3 hours away from me.

Unfortunately, I've been looking for 3-4 weeks now. There is not a single MS LR that is fairly priced. Only the Plaid are fairly prices (or at least based on what I found). I would rather get a Plaid for a good deal, than paying more than market value for MS LR.... If you look at autotrader...

I agree, but like I said in my post, my case is assuming the larger wheel option for both, hence with the Plaid, seems like the 345 miles becomes 285 miles in real-life driving, wherein the majority of EQS owners reported that their 340 factory miles is easily achievable. Even Edmunds Tested...

I actually disagree about the range. There are 100% clear evidences everywhere that the EQS 580 gets a much better range that Plaid... What am I missing? If you read everywhere (EQS 580 gets a range even higher than their 360 miles claimed mileage and closer to 380 miles in real life, wherein...

Who I am? As you all know, first time EV potential buyer, very interested in the Tesla MS and ready to buy an EV any-time in the next 1-2 weeks. Boundary conditions for my question: All preowned Model years 2021-2022 for MS Plaid vs Taycan vs EQS 580 Let's assume that I have no emotional...

Thanks

A new Tesla MS LR spec'd the way I want is about 96K USD..... If I can get similar spec (I understand the hardware difference) by going for a pre-owned 2022-2023 MS LR for 65-75K depending on mileage, why not? A new 2023 MS LR today will drop in value by as much the same as 2022 now..... For...

thanks... and if I am testing a car from a private seller, how can I confirm if it has FSD already purchased (non just subscription) by just looking at the screen? Like before I take a trip to see it, is there anyway to tell from photos? Is it under software, and then (Full self driving...

Of course I mean Used

Would you (or should I) consider buying a MS from Tesla.com (USED)?

Oh okay.. that's something else then. Appreciate the explanation. Kinda so weird that Tesla is now selling FSD with HW4, and charging for FSD, while the vehicle can't yet support FSD.

can you explain? Like really explain in detail if you don't mind?

I agree. But my point is, why would anyone need a better hardware for FSD if the HW3 yet with a non-final beta FSD is able to do all the below (see link below). It is just mind blowing ... to me this is enough, I don't care of they make FSD any better, it is already too good with the recent...

It looks to me that 85K for 10K miles and FSD is the fair market value based on what am seeing (at least in the public domain), and then anything lower is probably consider a good deal for the buyer.

I am for sure a newbie here, but I kinda have to disagree here unless u think am wrong. See below for data-points from carsandbids (all for refresh MS Plaid): 6/23: 2022 MS Plaid sold for 75K --> 18K miles 3/23: 2021 MS Plaid sold for 80K --> 17K miles 3/23: 2021 MS Plaid sold for 88K --> 8K...

what do u think a 2022 MS Plaid with 10K miles and Full FSD worth with white interior?