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Isn't this why VW are throwing up to $5 billion at Rivian?

This is going to go well....

But it is direct experience offered by folks in Europe of buying and owning cars provided to our market (so not gleaned from YouTube or wherever), offered here to someone in Europe who is asking advice on potentially buying a car in Europe, supplied by Tesla over a certain period in time...

Good work.....sensible, helpful advice. Shame it's taken until post #40, but at least we got there.

OK, a different tack. The OP has asked a very specific question based on his circumstances/budget. What would your advice to him or her be? (I have many friends in the US having spent a good deal of time working there. I am certainly not so stupid/small-minded as to condem the populations...

All of which helps OP how precisely? And please, please step away from the CAPS key!!!

OK, I think you can stop digging now; I think that hole is probably deep enough.

Based on direct personal experience, I offered a couple of data points which where both relevant too and directly addressed OP's question. Others have added similarly to this thread. If enough people do this, you build up a consensus...hive knowledge. You however launched into the thread with...

Please make this stop!!!

Well you can stop that immediately!!! (Good post though!)

Did you even bother to read my previous post? I clearly stated that, for the UK market, the uptick in quality coincided with our cars coming from Shanghai rather than Freemont.....but acknowledged that it may well be that Freemont cars from 2022 onwards are as good as / better than the Chinese...

What the heck am I trying to hide here?!?! You do make some nonesensical assertions! Whether or not it is coincidental or not, the fact remains that, for the UK market at least, there was a marked uptick in quality when we started recieving cars from Shanghai. Maybe the Freemont cars of...

So you are essentially saying, having owned a late 2020 M3LR from Freemont and a 2022 M3LR from Shanghai, I have no place offering my opinion, in response to someone asking about pre-2020 build quality of Freemont cars, on the stark build quality issues I observed because I am from Europe...

OP is asking for insights on the build quality of 2019-20 (so Freemont built) M3's. I'd have thought that offering my objective experience, based on owning 2020 and 2022 cars might conceivably be helpful. Oh....and my 2020 car was as a late 2020 car (so black trim, heat pump, power boot lid...

Well I certainly would be! I have owned a 2020 M3 LR (so Freemont built) and a 2022 M3 LR (so Shanghai built), both from new. For two examples of basically the same car, the differences were startling. On the older car panel gaps were all over the place (and the boot lid needed frequent...

My car arrived by AnyVan - ETA given on day of delivery and possible to track progress. Car arrived with badly scraped chin.

Again, why the black and white view? I really don't understand why people on both sides of the EV-ICE argument find it so hard to accept that different people like different things (and different people have different requirements and circumstances). I have an EV for the miles that needs to be...

ICE cars, particularly small ones, have always held their value well...I suspect that properly cared for examples, from well regarded manufacturers, will become increasingly sought after over the next 10 years.

Yes you have to slum it a pre-owned car, but it most certainly doesn't have to be super expensive.

Both if I may please Gareth. I'll PM my address. Many ta's

Hi Gareth - could I have these please? Happy to pay for postage or donate to a charity of your choice?

You can 'beat' depreciation if you buy the right car at the right point in time. My last two 'interesting' cars both appreciated. My NSX (currently formally valued for insurance purposes at ~4x what I paid for it) was used as a daily driver for 5 years, commuting 50 miles a day in all...

Yep, the paint started falling off my late 2020 M3 LR. It was fixed (after a fashion) by Tesla under warranty.

That game doesn't work so well on the UK!

Not a chance. Tesla aren't having any more custom from me.

Reasonably sure they expire end 2024...so not many will be able to take full advantage of what is, superficially, an attractive offer.

I have had a very poor experience with Revive (in Sussex) and will not use a mobile repair company again. IMHO you need somewhere who will do a proper, thorough job - dipping the wheels to remove existing finish / refinish / powder coat for a resilient finish. Just my opinion, but I think...

This sadly. I have run Honda's for over 30 years and their customer service and service departments have been great (Tesla, take note...there is a direct correlation here!). Always polite, always helpful and, at times going the extra mile. Warranty issues have been rare, but always dealt with...

As they currently do 'pretty well' I think your subtlety is somewhat misplaced!

Zeeker are part of Geely...and the X is built on the same platform as the Volvo EX30.

If it's 'top of your list' of criteria when choosing a car, why select a car which just does 'pretty well' rather than one of the top NCAP rated vehicles? https://www.whatcar.com/news/the-safest-cars-on-sale-today/n19724

As noted above, this will not correct flat spotted tyres!

I agree about JLR products.....I also know people (who work for race teams) who have pulled apart Aston Martins and have been horrified by the quality of the engineering.

It's very much the 'dishonesty of Tesla' which means they won't be seeing another penny (or cent) of my money.

Evidence for the 'braking problems' assertion?!

It seems to manage to inflict injuries on owners even without the formality of a crash!

At the risk of unleashing another deluge of pro-Tesla propaganda (I assume you are paid well for this stuff?!) 'much more dangerous' how? I would rather take my chances being run over by my ICE supercar (which manages not to annoy my neighbours) than a Cybertruck.

Make sure the saving over a non-cat. S car is worth it. Whilst you may not be bothered, plenty of potential purchasers will be when you come to sell it on.

Whoooosh.......

So you are selling lots and lots of widgets and, because of this, decide to reduce the cost of your widgets?!

That's not how business works!

Help the country with your excess generation and get paid for it....where is the downside?!

Every new Tesla I have seen has had swirled paintwork.

Agreed. We bought a 500e; absolutely no need to deal directly with the dealer to get a hassle free purchase at an extremely competitive price.

Treating customers with contempt tends to prove quite a short-term business model.

Whilst not universal, many policies specify that you need to inform the insurer if an offence is committed..

Did you tell your insurer when these were 'awarded'? It's a common policy requirement.

You say 'interesting'?!?!?!?

If the scratches are through the clear coat, that is not going to buff out!!!! For a decent quality respray, I'd expect ~£1000.

I don't doubt that batteries degrade over time and that there are a number of variable which impact the rate at which this occurs. Is it not the case that 'calendar' aging happens whatever (we can't stop time!) and other factors - temperature, state of charge the battery is held at for...