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Another tip when searching for insurance renewal - look at the Topcashback comparison. They may or may not offer a competitive quote, but if they do and you take out the policy through the link provided, you'll get (currently) £40 cashback.

As I said earlier, if the insurance gets really to expensive, change to a car that's cheaper to insure. Seems a more pragmatic solution to me than yours.... Incidentally both my (M3 LR) and my son's (M3 RWD) premiums fell when renewed aver the last couple of months, so it's not all one way...

Yes, that is all sorts of rubbish. Hope it is all sorted out soon with a minimum of fuss and expense.

Yep, they can certainly try ones patience....and a lot of (especially younger / less experienced) folk will tell them to carry on.

Yep, that's doesn't surprise me at all. My son's SEAT Ibiza Cupra (ICE) went in to a franchised dealership near us for something fairy minor. They did a 'complimentary health check' (good of them!) whilst they had the car - sent a video announcing that it needed new disks and pads on the...

Friends have a Hyundai EV (Chichester area) and have no issues with their local dealership...including getting an issue sorted under warranty. I find it hard to believe Hyundai and Kia service centers are universally bad. I know people who have had very good and equally bad experiences...

Sell the Tesla for what you can get for it and buy a nearly new, heavily depreciated Hyundai or Kia and have the peace of mind of a very long (5 and 7 years from new respectively) manufacturers warranty?

Very true.....though Tesla 'new car' smell is quite nasty, so no great loss.

Normal new car depreciation isn't linear...which is why buying carefully selected 6-12 month old cars can help stave off the worst of depreciation.

Quite the opposite for me,.but we are all.different. :) I saw careful buying and selling as a way to move up my (admittedly modest) dream car 'ladder'. There are a couple of fast Honda's I particularly miss and regret selling (Integra Type R and S2000)...but without them, I wouldn't have my...

I have found that if you are willing to put the effort in when buying a car, depreciation can be minimal (I'll leave my current ICE out of this discussion as it is now considered a 'collectable' car, but that certainly wasn't the case when I bought it). Before the Tesla M3 LR, which I bought...

Perhaps time to get rid of the petrol car? Sounds like it would be in everyones best interests?!? I drive 2 petrol cars (I manual, I auto) and 3 EVs (with quite different systems - Tesla's get in and drive / just walk away afterwards is the best, Fiat's bizarre button pressing the most...

If the paint has gone....and best I can tell from the photo it has ...it doesn't matter how good you are with a machine polisher and cutting compounds, it aint going to be fixable that way!!!!!

Because I get irritated when people see.things in black and white and post utter bobbins to support their views. For many, unfortunately, it remains a darned sight more convenient to fill a car with petrol/diesel than to charge an EV.

Sorry about that....I'll try to keep any agreements to a minimum in the future 😉

That I will agree with!

A 200bhp engine uses a very small number of those horses at tickover.

Pr It's the price I chose to pay to live in a beautiful rural location. ....and yes, we have PV solar for the car / house during the sunnier months. I've yet to work out how to use the oil fired central heating system to charge my car!

Like many people I have a 2500ltr (oil) tank adjacent to my house and a truck automatically comes and fills it without any fuss or trouble when it drops to 20% full. I've never found it unbearably inconvenient to put petrol in my car either...there really are quite a few petrol stations...

For me, the quartz / mechanical movement watch analogy works well. Watches with battery powered quartz movements are low maintenance and keep time extremely well (they are also cheap as chips, which is where this analogy currently breaks down!) Watches with beautiful, complex mechanical...

Pretty sure @pgkevet was posting in exactly the same vein! :rolleyes:

It was intended to be very much tongue in cheek :rolleyes: If you have had a Tesla for any period of time you will know that they periodically break things!

Ah, you poor naive fool!!!!

I do.... frequently. Particularly on Trustpilot. I believe good service / products should be acknowledged. I also feel that it is lazy just to write 1 or 5 * reviews when the truth is most frequently somewhere between the extremes.

Hard to believe reading the angst in this (and several other) threads!

Seems to me that it is one heck of a lot less stressful just driving the damned car yourself! (My distinct preference in any case).

Fair enough...good work! Presumably driving style can sensibly be considered a constant for the purposes of comparing one person's expected tyre wear between cars though?

Not necessarily.....the OEM Michelin tyres are pretty expensive, and 24k miles is not a great return - a lighter ICE car would probably be easier on it's tyres. I echo the recommendation to get your tracking checked - something definitely looks awry.

....and your genius solution is to reduce competition?!

If you are not happy with the cost of insurance, then yes. There are choices.

There are plenty of much cheaper cars to insure out there.

Does anyone else feel that this latest spate of updates suggests even more chaos amongst the dofwewr developers and less internal quality control of their work than usual?

Errr.....I really don't think that is going to work in a million years! Yes, Tesla insurance prices in particular are high, and prices for other vehicles have in many cases increased. But insurance for many cars, for many people are perfectly acceptable (as is the case for the 2 ICE cars in...

Insurance for my 2022 M3 LR is a similar price with Direct Line - safe post code, no accidents / convictions in last 5 years, car kept on drive, 10 years+ NCB, 8k miles a year, SDP only, SWMBO a named driver (also no accident / convictions)

From what I have seen and read, AP should also be considered an idiot.

Wow! Now that is a game changing cost reduction.

This was one of the main principles I drummed into my two sons when I taught them to drive. They quickly accepted this as we'd see ample support for the theory on every drive.

Well yes, but he would wouldn't he!!! Much more difficult for him to dodge his 2024 promise though.

I have noticed over the last 12 months that the cheapest available rental car offered (to me as a UK based renter, using UK based online 'broker' sites) were often EV's (I have rented in Tampa, Miami and Phoenix) - this I suspect has something to do with their popularity (or otherwise!) with...

True - they are currently selling about a third of their Tesla fleet. But replacing them with ICE cars...so not a 'direction of travel' which is consistent with their stated ambition for a 70% EV fleet in 6 years time.

I think that is correct - ~2 yr's old / ~50k miles sounds like a fairly normal rental car replacement cycle to me. However, I think the interesting and significant thing is that they are being replaced with ICE cars - hardly a ringing endorsement for EV's in this environment.

Much vaunted at the time, but Hertz in the US are now replacing it's 20k Tesla's with ICE alternatives citing higher EV repair costs: https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/hertz-sell-about-20000-evs-us-fleet-2024-01-11/

Not great on car paint (especially for bird poo)....and not reusable!

Detailing spray - good! Paper towels - much less so.

Agreed on tar pick up - try gently wiping with some IPA (no, not beer!) on a microfiber cloth.

Yep, I've had all manner of minor glitches after software updates - I now just do a manual re-boot as a matter of course after each update.

Simple and effective maybe, but why on earth would you buy new in the current market?!

My goodness!

Really? You are far more likely to get objective opinions on non-BMW forums!