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I have bought two cars with them over an 8 yr span. I bought my girl in 2014. Things may have changed. I never had too wait long. I have only dealt with local people. I don't recall, but I bet I called their local San Jose office. Sorry, but I don't have a number in my contacts. But I...

Personally, I think we are talking about two different audiences today. Yes, they could garner sales. But I think it cheapens the premium brand today. After the M3 is out for a while, it might make more sense. But not now. And my experience has been that the Costco savings are marginal at...

Too much sun, my friend!:) Been there. Done that.

The biggest consideration for me is how stable the power grid is. I live in temperate central coast CA. So one would think that I would be fine. But our power reliability stinks due to trees falling and cutting power lines in storms. I can lose power for 3-5 days easily. So I always charge...

I too, live in deer country. I have been so lucky in that I have not hit one yet. Knock wood! But I actually did have one hit me once. Not in my MS, but in my old car (who cares). Three ran across the road and one ran smack into the side of my car. A total face plant right in my driver's...

I love my +. So much so that I really am not at all unhappy with all the new models making mine obsolete. I love the feel of the road, the way she squats and sprints when I hammer the go pedal and the overall feel. I do like a very firm ride. I live in a mountainous area, so the feel is...

I got the 30ft Camco and it works like a charm.

I have had no problem with my Blackvue 650 dual cam. But I keep my car plugged in every night.

Not at all! Get her in again and tell them to cut the fake explanations.

Check out TechCU.org. I have bought two cars through them with the best rates in the area. You need to be a member.

I think this should be included in the maintenance plan and it pisses me off that they are nickeling and dimeing you on this. It's not a lot of money. But I find it insulting as this should be a normal maintenance item.

Eddie! Remember that above all else, she is a lady! The loveliest lady at that. Not an F150 brute. Although I have pushed mine also... So expect a few complaints from such a beauty queen.:rolleyes: And your avatar is awesome.

If you don't have lots of super high curbs or mountainous and rugged roads, you won't need AS. Though the ride is a bit smoother. I got it because I need it for those roads. I love it.

I don't do tricks with my 131K baby. Not worth it. And I am still chicken to try perp parking even with me in the car. It just seems weird to me. Parallel work like a charm. Oh, I have gotten so old!:mad:

I agree with @Mike K. You are at least 15K too high. Sorry to say. That's the price of buying an early car. Honestly, I can't see more than 50K today for a '13. Your mods mean nothing in the secondary market. That's why I will hold my girl for quite some time. I simply cannot justify the...

So sorry, but I can't get photos of the voids. They are under the welded pieces of sheet AL. The location is as such: Look at the top of the hatch on the inside with the trim off, above the glass Note the center point Note the right most point which is close to where you would have pulled off...

No and I hope not in the future. They are on top of it. That's the last thing any of us need.

I hope this is to upgrade and not due to a sadness. A lovely car.

Here's one that that I heard from a well known source here that will back them off: If you are going down hill, throw it into reverse. It puts both the reverse lights and brakes lights on. The motor is simply in reverse phase and coasts. Remember, there are no gears. I haven't had the guts...

As we used to say in CT: "damn NY drivers!" Glas you're OK.

I'm really glad to hear it, @DDD4EV. TMC has been an unbelievable wealth of education for me. I discovered it days after placing my order, back when we waited 3+ months for delivery. By the time I got my car, I was a fully informed user. I knew essentially everything I needed to know about...

I totally agree. I was thinking the exact same thing on my way home tonight. I only want a car, or another person, driving me when I have to deal with awful traffic. I LOVE!!! driving. It is actually my most favorite thing to do, along with polishing my baby. I have loved it since way...

I agree with @calisnow. I could see an Uber Black in a high end populated area. Maybe. But I would never do it. I didn't drop 130 large to haul around strangers in my girl. Also, it would never pay off financially to the level that I would want. I certainly didn't become able to buy her by...

Well, that still ain't workin'!:mad:

When I got mine in 10-14, I totally lucked out because I got the AP1.0. No charge at all. Not even activation. I bought just about the top of everything and paid 131K before rebates. I thought that was high...Yes, the 100 has a lot more power and a nice bump in range. But I am totally happy...

Oh. That's nasty! I also love "being half a sandwich short of a picnic" (Australian) Fun.

Oh you poor old man! I'm 58 and still kickin'. So you are A-OK. Truthfully, it just keeps getting better because not I simply don't get as freaked out as I did when younger. Every year just seems to get better! And I agree. When AP was first announced, I thought it sounded a bit lame. I...

Thanks! It's an emotional thing for me. I know it sounds dumb. But there is nothing I enjoy more than the solitude of working on my car. I get rid of all distractions and stress, and focus on doing the most perfect job I can possibly do on helping my mechanical girl look perfect. It's super...

Very nice to hear! I did have a similar experience today with a sedan moving into my lane. My car was calm and collected with no drama at all. I do still find it to be twitchy and uncertain in situations where it was not before. I tends to lurch to one side or the other in the lane. I have...

:D!!!

So sorry to sound ageist!!! That is not what I meant at all. It's just my observation from those of my age and older that I have talked about the car and AP. I'm 58. Perhaps I should have referenced boring drivers. But that might be bad too.

Well, those were retail upgrades because the ones they gave me with the service plan suddenly got stiff and chattery. No idea why. Now I make them give them to me and I save them for when I might need them. I will say that Icons are outstanding and long lasting.

I totally agree! I'm 58. I had never really seriously considered buying a luxury car. I have always been about performance. Lunatic that I am. Then, when I realized that an MS was within my sights, I test drove one. That is all that it took. I have been a tech fiend since I was a kid...

Oooh. The challenge is on! I particularly like Pulchritudinous The other thing I got was ridiculous cliches, such as: "Well, that went faster than the pumpkin pie through the hired girl" Still really don't know what that meant. and "Hold 'er Newt, she's gonna blow!" I love that one...

OK. I do not understand this change in colors. Why would a company drop the most popular color in America? Unless I am out of date, white has been the perennial top color for quite some time. But what really kills me is the drop of the Titanium. OMG, the car looks fantastic in that color...

I don't know what the heck is going on with AP these days. As posted in 8.0 thread, she has a nervous breakdown (to a nervous twitch) on any rise in the road. Never had that before. My nags are 3X compared to prior. I tried resting my left knee against the wheel yesterday and today, which...

Oh how I hate to admit it, having spent 121K for a fully loaded 10/14 P85+, as below, except for winter and lame stuff... I think the price is pretty much right on from KBB. I would not spend mid 70's on that car today. I figure that little plus sign is the most expensive mathematical sign I...

There was a known issue early on with the handles. Many 2013's were all replaced. I have a 10/14 and had one odd noise with my driver's about 9 mths ago and they replaced the whole thing, no questions. But I bought new and am still under warranty. I am not surprised that they would not do a...

Ha ha! The parade continues on. So keep on marching. I think we should look at the age banding for S Class, E Class, A8 (maybe A6), 7 Series, as compared to MS/X. I will bet dollars to donuts that we are younger, hipper (and have more insurance-!Fried Green Tomatoes for those not in the...

It's actually been driving me crazy. I am insanely busy and can't find the two days that I need to do a full polish and nano coat, for which she is due at the two year mark. I was thinking today, all I want is one weekend with no commitments so I can bond with my car.

I love the offer. But I am STILL and always be the only person who will ever wash my girl with my patented, completely obsessive and perfected auto beautification process!!! But maybe we could do it together on each car so I could show you how to do it right! :cool: PS: we need much better...

@calisnow: I have the same problem since 8.0. I have lost all trust in AP. It was so much better before with the original release and the second rev. It now wanders all over the place and does scary things. #notf-inghappyanymore

I think it's tacky. If we don't need to charge, we should not occupy the space. It's the equivalent of being ICE'd for those who may need to charge. And if there are none who do, that might be OK. But then I see it as elitist, which is STILL tacky, IMO. I actually call it hogged. And I have...

Yup. AC on moving that slow. I can see it. But I think you are smart to watch. These cars are still tempting to thrash with acceleration.

Ahh. You're in the flat lands. I'm in the mountains of coastal CA. That really kills my energy usage. Going up, 100% draw. Going down, maybe 30% regen, if I'm lucky. But to add to that, I have this freakishly large and heavy foot that I simply do not have the strength to keep from hammering...

Ha! Now I forget what I posted! My mother was a vocabulary and grammar fanatic. She taught me well. At 58, it still cracks me up that I have this ridiculous lexicon of words that some people have never heard. Like (my absolute favorite): perspicacity. We should all have it. Look that...

My experience is that this is normal. When stopped, the car will get much closer to the car in front and then stop. Mine doesn't necessarily jerk or jump up. But it does move up and then stop about maybe 5-10 feet behind the stopped car at a light. It took some getting used to. But I have...

How the F are you getting 215 w/mi?!!! I have a P85+ and have never gotten below 290, which only happened after the 8.0 update on the highway, of which I am suspect. Prior to that, my avg w/mi since delivery on 10/14 has been 334. Oh, and as far as kids: toss 'em! Suck in the belly: waaaay...

Wow! That is extreme. That would motivate me to not use AP at all. Strikes me that something must be wrong. 8.0 has given me 3X nags compared to before. But it is nothing like what you are experiencing. I am thinking that your car might need some anti-depressants, due to severe OCD!

For me, 8.0 is a disappointment in some areas for me. Here are my gripes: AP is MUCH less stable. I now ping pong all the time. It seems to have a nervous breakdown when cresting a hill. I get three times more nags than before. Yes, I have been counting. The lane hugging makes me...