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    Project Better Place

    Yep, this is probably correct. Although, the next gen Fluence ZE will probably have the chameleon charger from the Zoe, so that's a problem solved. I don't think that's the case, the car has been engineered with battery swap in mind as well without any BP order. I don't think that at this...
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    Project Better Place

    Eventually, batteries will gravitate to a few standards, but it's a bit of chaos until then. I think battery swap service providers would eventually determine which standards remain by which are stocked and which aren't.
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    Project Better Place

    I believe there may be a misunderstanding here. The BP model does not require any battery standardization. It only requires the battery to be dropped and loaded from below. A BP station can handle multiple different battery standards and stock many types of batteries. The current reason BP only...
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    Project Better Place

    Any idea on the cost to wire a spot for 43KW in case it's not available and pre installed(the digging, permitting, all that)? I've heard numbers like 10-20K$ floating around.
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    Project Better Place

    Of course you can do it. You would also need to somehow sell the old battery and finance the new one. Better place just make it seamless for the consumer who doesn't want to be bothered. Don't misunderstand, I think quick charging is probably the way to go for 80%-90% of users as demonstrated...
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    Project Better Place

    I think that if you do the math, you'll see that this "expensive" BP solution is not so expensive when compared with an extra 10,000$ of battery(like I mentioned), or and extra 8,000$ for a parallel gasoline powertrain. The BP solution IS a lot cheaper than those, AT SCALE. It's like a gas...
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    Project Better Place

    Excuse me, 2 mistakes in my reply: I meant 40 swap stations per 20,000 vehicles, not 400 :P That means a swap station 10-15 miles from where I live, around 20-30 minutes away. It's all in the BP website with the planned station coverage, there are 2 stations at that distance. The second...
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    Project Better Place

    In my example of 20,000 EV's on the BP model in Israel(1% of cars on the road), you need around 40 swap stations across Israel. That means a swap station 10-15 miles from where I live, around 20-30 minutes away. It's all in the BP website with the planned station coverage, there are 2 stations...
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    Project Better Place

    Yep. According to Renault, 30% of all segment B cars(small cars like clio) NEVER travel over 100 miles, EVER. As for parking, I think the Renault Twizy is a pretty nice solution for that : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6dAZkwgkeA&feature=related As for charging spots on the street, I...
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    Project Better Place

    It is my understanding that in most situations, a BP model is cheaper than slapping on a bigger battery to take care of the last 5% of trips that are longer. My (rough) calculation for Israel and Europe: The typical driver in Europe is probably doing 1-2 trips beyond the 80 mile range per...
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    Renault Zoe ZE

    I remember hearing Carlos Ghosn commenting that the reason they went to produce their own battery is that at the time there were no serious automotive battery production capacity online. Plus, they wanted to make sure no supplier captures an extraordinarily high margin from a specific essential...
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    Project Better Place

    You can make this trip with horse and carriage too. The BP business model is supposed to give the user more convenience in exchange for extra money. I see nothing wrong with that.