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Apparently they are (cant find the tweet but pretty sure I'm not hallucinating).

Good thing someone was here to QUASH that misunderstanding!! (grins and runs away)

Quosh not squash .. you squash flies (and moths, not myths :) Besides, are you sure? It was certainly negotiated when the NHTSA were "discussing" FSD way back in 10.x days ....

Interesting if you watch the screen carefully just as the car plows forward the "snake" is shifting back and forth between left and right forks in the road. For some reason the car wasn't able to make its mind up .. I wonder if it would have recovered if he hands intercepted. Though I found it...

Well there are a LOT of owners on these forums that have cars with that mileage and above. There are other reasons that Tesla limit the warranty other than the car will fail at 100,000 miles (it wont).

That's more or less it. There are many parameters for follow distance, including weather, speed, mode etc. The training then is to generate the correct follow distance based on these values, using a dataset that provides the needed mapping. I'm not saying this is what Tesla do, the actual...

But it's slightly more complex than that because Tesla are not using (so far as I can tell) semantic versioning. The major version more or less changes on a whim of Elon, so the team makes do with minor/release versions, which means that they may or may sneak feature changes into "bug fix"...

It's done that for me too. So +1 for rabbit-kind :)

Not true, though I understand your point. You are not training/testing 4 (or N) distinct networks. You are training ONE network to respond correctly to numerous inputs, the "mode" being just one of very many more.. The "mode" is no more special than (say) the distance from a car in front of you...

Yes, it's' more or less this. Many poisons can affect the brain, and in particular cause its tracking between (say) balance and the visual system to get out of sync. The best survival response is to get rid of the poison, hence vomiting. So it's not the ear per se, but the brains interpretation...

Yeah that all sounds familiar .. as you note it's something that they usually grow out of (just about the time they grow into all the other things you were fearing!!).

No, the point is that the value is different depending on the buyers perspective and interest. I might value FSD very highly, and think I can get extra $$$ for it when I sell, but if a buyer never wants to go near FSD, he will not feel the FSD premium is worth it. For TESLA, as the "buyer" in a...

Does he look inside the car (e.g. at a screen) or outside? When I was young I had bad motion sickness and it was always caused by looking down at (e.g.) a book etc.

But that IS the value you perceive. Sure, you try to negotiate, but if the seller wont budge and you do not see the value at that price, you dont buy.

The "preferences"(like Chill mode etc) typically become inputs to the NN, with appropriate training data for each mode, though this can be expensive if there are many such settings (one reason Tesla keep them simple). Dont forget the NN doesnt just get camera data .. it also get map info...

A very good question. In all the time that people were anxious about PB (and reporting many events), I dont recall anyone actually saying they had been rear ended as a result.

Of course, and I'm not saying you should. The point was the assumption people made that the car would ALWAYS brake that way no matter what was behind them.

But that's because the purchaser of said computer would also have to buy Windows if it wasn't included. But Tesla dont have to buy anything from anyone to add FSD to a car. And so it would be with Microsoft, why would they pay extra money to buy a computer with Windows on it? When you are...

While Tesla have not said so explicitly, it's pretty clear that the car takes into account the probability of being rear-ended when it handles emergency braking (remember is always knows the distance to the car behind, and the software can handle the decision making process in a minute fraction...

Well a "fair" test would use a real human (even a child!) .. and there you are drifting into an ethical nightmare. But even is it wasn't seen as a human, it stopped for the obstacle, which seems to be a good outcome.

I would imagine that is the intent .. though a lot of ppl are NOT going to be pleased since what is now "FSD (Supervised)" was once positioned as much more L5.

Having scrubbed back and forth I think I agree .. the audio alarm kicks off at 0:11, the dash warning appears at 0:13. In my experience these are usually simultaneous. You can hear the brake pedals applied too, but it's tricky to see when the car starts slowing. I'd say the car doesnt see the...

I was trying to allow for that and also observe the dash warnings as well.

Not sure what to make of this .. the alarm seems to go off before the dummy appears .. but perhaps that's the camera angle. If it is faked I'm not sure how they did it cause its hard to fake the various warnings and dash icons etc.

Of course it has no trade-in value. Why would you expect otherwise? Since it's software, Tesla has an infinite inventory of FSD upgrades at zero cost to them, so how could it have any trade-in value? You might as well try to sell your copy of Windows back to Microsoft.

A couple of general comments based on my experiences taking long trips... First, get a keycard "ring" as a great backup for car access. Since it's attached to your finger, which is (hopefully) not detachable, you will always have it with you. I swim and surf a lot, and use it all the time so I...

Well exactly .. ideally the car should do that and maybe even dial 911. But it clearly should not just give up driving and let the car swerve and crash.

I love all these discussions, and similar elsewhere. Everyone from the NHTSA to Consumer Reports are complaining that the nags/detects are not good enough. Ok, consider this scenario. A driver becomes incapacitated while FSD is driving. Should (a) FSD continue driving safely or (b) disengage and...

In the Autopilot screen .. it shows up in the text where you enable FSD.

Interesting idea .. essentially FSD owners become a pre-test fleet for roads so that robotaxi knows which roads are drivable w/o human assistance.

Because they be so much pleasure out of hating Tesla?

Well I’ve done 1000+ mile trips and I enjoy the breaks to charge. Sure it adds maybe 2 hours to my trip .. so what? Is it REALLY so bad to take a few breaks? Chill out and enjoy the tech is my advice.

Sneak peek at Robotaxi… https://i.pinimg.com/originals/10/a1/06/10a106743ef5d53171fc295a1e095971.jpg

I’ve seen this argument but in fact they dont need FSD installed to gather training data .. after all they want the DRIVER to be driving tha car. All they need is permission to send anonymous driving data from the car to the mother ship (and maybe not even that depending on which lawyer you talk...

Nope, now you have to type “FSD (Supervised)” or we wont read your posts :)

There is also the issue of opening up the SC network, which dilutes one of the major selling points of Tesla compared to all other EV brands (though this is only on paper atm, until/if/when they retrofit them with NACS).

Well if you have an older S/X or the new model 3 there is nothing "minor" here .. its the first time they have FSD 12.x.

It's pretty obvious that Tesla are either going to have to (a) gradually raise the monthly fee or (b) drop the purchase price for FSD, since anyone can see that the purchase price simply doesnt make sense at the moment. With Tesla claiming they have sunk $10 billion into developing FSD (to...

Has anyone noticed that when you exit Car Wash Mode, the car graphic on the screen does a quick little diagonal "swoosh" of light across the car body to show that it's all nice and clean and shiny? I've experimented and noticed you cant "cheat" the car .. you have to be in car wash mode for some...

Just to clarify .. any time you start a camera recalibration you will need to drive the car for some rime along clearly marked roads (the time varies, c an be up to 100 miles). So dont keep clicking the button, you just reset the entire process. Also, you can visually check to see if the cameras...

+1 on that lane change thing .. the driver behind me must think I am drunk. And yes, the minimal lane change thing is now only the legacy highway so far as I can make out (and, I suspect, will vanish totally when they switch the highway stack to V12).

Actually V12 seems pretty good at roundabouts for me.

More hallucinations per second??? :)

The basic problem here is you are assuming a linear relationship, which is NOT how NNs work (nor would they be useful if they were). You ass assuming "small different in input" equals "small difference in output". but NNs dont work like that.. sure, you can train it to closely simulate a...

But to your very point this IS the same NN. So do what you attribute the difference? Goblins? One thing to understand about NNs is that though they are deterministic in the sense same input = same output, they are non-linear, so you dont know what even a small input perturbation will do to the...

Ah ok, so you're saying you need to move to Washington then :)

I think the point is to upgrade to FSD. EAP etc are only really intended for highways.

Not true. NNs are deterministic. IF the input data is the same, the output data will be the same. But that's never the case. The cameras have different positions between models. The time of day will vary, as will the weather. The GPS reception will differ and so the car position will dither a...

I've heard others say this, but I rarely find that myself. In fact in my case it seems to push the speed limit a bit much, hitting 35 in a 25 zone for example (which, around here, is edging into getting a ticket territory). using Average setting with the smart speed on. The only times I see the...

Yeah II've observed this too. Also, when given two lanes to choose from that both go try same way (say for a two lane left turn) the car dithers a lot before it makes up its mind which lane to take.