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The "good times" are over - but I'm not surprised. I figured EA must be operating at a considerable loss to run some of the stations at the prices they were at, especially in California. EVs are getting really expensive to use for travel.... the higher number of EVs in general is making...

They don't have to - but it's better for the EV industry in general. A monopoly is not great - a healthy, competitive ecosystem can only benefit the general public in the long term. I get that American Tesla owners may feel like a big reason for buying a Tesla is the "exclusivity" of the...

In California at least, I've switched over to use EA almost exclusively - the pricing difference is hard to ignore. 36c/kWh versus 45+ is too high - it adds up quickly on road trips which I do often, e.g. 50kWh saves at least about $4.50 per charge, which already exceeds the monthly...

Even with AWD + dedicated snow tires, chains continue to give me grief 😭 A broken tire chain link got embedded in one of my tires as I was driving over the I-80 in California to Reno, NV. I was lucky enough to be within 3-5 miles of downtown Reno when I noticed my tire air pressure dropping...

Date: Sept 30 Time: 5:00pm Location: Sacramento, CA Site: Cannery Status: All stalls complementary Happened to be in the area - Sacramento was one of the few places with the COVID-19 bivalent booster available.

Or free, like it has been in CA for like a week now? I've been milking it as much as I can ;)

Which gaps are you looking to fill? As in, which route are you referring to that lacks superchargers? Asking because I’m curious to know - I’ve seen a few in US-50 in Nevada, southern Colorado and in the reservations in Arizona.

Yes! This is the best way to do it. EA should be used as a supplement to Tesla Superchargers. Lower prices are great, but it's a nightmare if it doesn't work and you're stuck with no way to charge (quickly). It takes a bit of getting used to, but strategically filtering via the Plugshare app +...

Using EA properly requires a bit of planning - and careful use of the plug share app. If you’re just starting out, only pick EA stations that are adjacent to Tesla Superchargers. * you get the advantage of preconditioning by setting your Tesla nav to that supercharger. * there’s a backup if...

What are the start and end points of your road trip? Zip codes are fine if you're not comfortable with exact addresses.

Yeah this is the main plus of the CCS adapter for me - it adds a lot more options. They may not be as fast as the superchargers, but it's better to have something than nothing.

I agree with the rest about Tesla always having had supply issues (although it's unclear to me why Korea doesn't have the same issues and were available for order) - but for the retrofit issue why not just require users to enter their VIN? I believe that's what Tesla Korea already does? That way...

Ah I didn't know that, thanks for the info. But surely now there wouldn't be? One thing I considered is that there could be a components shortage for it. On the flip side, my understanding is that it's more or less a dumb pass-through adapter without a microprocessor it should be easier to...

At this point I think Tesla NA is just being unnecessarily annoying with the CCS adapter rollout. If the concern is that people buying might not have a Tesla that supports it, just do the same as Tesla Korea is - request that users enter their Tesla's VIN before attempting a purchase. That...

I think the bigger issue here is that this is needed at all. It shouldn’t be needed - destination charging should be a nice-to-have convenience, not a make-it-or-break-it thing on road trips. A person shouldn’t have to make a 50 mile detour just because they can’t guarantee access to...

Inflation is making everything really expensive now. The EA flat rate charges are now relatively cheap in comparison (especially if you get the membership) while still having ample fast charge options. I suspect they will be raising rates soon.

It’s basically worse all around in California. If you can still get it, the official Tesla CCS adapter is a compelling option for road trips now when you have less likelihood of being able to get off peak hour rates at superchargers.

I've noticed no pricing changes in California, just more restrictive off peak hours....

I guess you might have been looking at the EA line instead? It's interesting that Tesla allows the EA to sustain a "higher" (180kW+) charge rate over a longer period for the EA charger. I wonder if there's some kind of automatic "safety cutoff" that prevents charging at 250kW for too long from...

In my experience, EPA ranges in general are overstated. The car I owned before my Model Y was a Prius with a rated range of 571 miles. I really only got 400 miles (i.e. 70%) out of it on a full tank. I think 70% is a good ballpark of “real world” range - so in your case, 290 * 70% = 203 miles…...

Yes the length makes me feel uncomfortable. It confuses me that 14ft is the "supercharger" version - to me that is a non-trivial length to extend for that much power flowing (250kW+) through the circuit - the added resistance will, if nothing else, waste power due to unwanted heating. I...

Answering my own question: Electrify America Presents "The Charging Station of the Future, Today" An all-new design that refines the look and reduces the footprint of the charger A recessed and brighter HMI (human-machine interface) screen to help reduce the glare from sunlight making it...

What's new with these? The most obvious difference I see is welcome though - longer cables - some of the older EA station stalls only allow vehicles with the charging ports in a particular position on the car to charge, which is kinda annoying. I just learned about this extension cord - NEW...

Yes - that's my approach - at least until the dust settles and there's 1. a common connector across all EVs 2. EV charging stations with the same frequency as gas stations across the US. I do road trips often to remote areas and regularly plan my steps with all the tools I can find - having...

The Harumio adapter has been really easy to purchase though, and the price isn't too bad. I don't understand Tesla's unwillingness to sell it here in the US, but then I don't really understand their CEO either so I'm not too surprised. The Setec adapter was fine while it was the only option -...

"Flawless" is probably a bit of hyperbole - but I think there's some truth to much higher standards in Germany, case in point - I Took A 250,000-Mile Minivan Through Germany's Rigorous Car Inspection And It Was A Disaster

I think you might not need to drive around - maybe try this sequence while parked * Ensure you're reasonably near a supercharger (not more than 30mi / 50km away) * Set the navigation to a supercharger * Press the brake pedal once I believe preconditioning will automatically trigger, although...

Yeah this is a good point. I think Tesla internally calculates time to warm to ideal temperatures (I think 40C?) and time to destination, and starts preheating if time to destination <= time to 40C.

Yeah my impression is that it turns on at about 30 miles, which roughly corresponds to your 50km estimate. From my testing you don't actually have to be driving though. It is enough to set the destination and if you activate the brakes it will begin pre-conditioning (assuming one is already in...

Interesting - I’m not sure how accurate TeslaFi is, but I subscribe to it and checked - it also lists “efficiency” numbers during my charges. I was able to pre-condition because there were nearby Tesla superchargers I could configure the Tesla to go to while I did actual voice navigation to the...

Hmmm… I don’t think that’s true - I’ve done the math before while waiting at a supercharger - the indicated +kWh on the screen doesn’t match the accumulated money I’m paying (I calculated $ / kWh). I’m always paying more in kWh than the amount shown on the screen. I came to the conclusion that...

Just did a trip from San Francisco to Lake Tahoe with the CCS adapter I got from Harumio. 37kWh EA in Placerville, CA - $0.31 versus $0.46 / kWh, savings $5.55, maxed out at 180+ kW 42kWh EA in South Lake Tahoe, CA - $0.31 versus $0.36 / kWh, savings $2.10, also maxed out at 180+kW With speeds...

I’ve only had issues with EA once, in Bridgeport, CA. Otherwise, no issues having used them 33 times in total. I’m on the Pass+ program, and added my EA card to my iPhone’s NFC Wallet - makes charging pretty straightforward. I have more issues wrangling the clumsy Setec CCS adapter - I’m really...

Thanks for sharing this - didn’t realize the availability was so limited!

It might not work though? I feel like there’s not a lot of confidence that it will, which is a big factor for me in any consideration to buy this. I do get that the price is “reasonable” though - with all the supply chain shortages and Tesla’s uncertain timelines (“Elon time”) I can definitely...

The lack of availability in the NA store is the most frustrating part for me. I also own the Setec adapter, but I'm tired of the < 50kW speeds and endless firmware games that you have to play with it. Being able to hit 150kW+ speeds using a first-party adapter is a game changer IMO - especially...

Yeah this is my experience as well. I've driven several hundred miles using this approach so far - during the winter snowstorm in Tahoe in December 2021. It has worked really well in really snowy conditions in steep mountain passes. In January 2021, I did the same in Silverthorne, CO and Park...

I'm curious if you'll experience better handling if you turn on Off-road assist? That forces power to all four wheels, which for me makes the handling more stable although the car "feels" slower because you have to push the acceleration pedal harder for the same effect as without Off-road assist.

I'm not defending Setec. I don't know who is more "responsible" if a user decides to use "experimental" firmware - I have no idea how that is obtained, because I've only ever used the website to get firmware - although I did once DM a user to get an older firmware that was no longer listed on...

I appreciate the link, I'm sure others will find it useful. I'm just saying why I don't think it's credible, others will surely disagree with me, that's fine. I'm looking for more examples - I just find that one strange because it is weirdly detailed but also vague at the same time (mentions...

Yup - sorry for not being clear. Let me try to re-phrase it. Are there any other anecdotes / incidents (apart from the tweet shared by @MP3Mike) where firmware downloaded directly from Setec's website caused permanent damage during use to their Tesla? I'd like to know because I haven't...

Are there any other incidents besides that Tweet that anyone knows of?

I had to re-read the Tweet again to fully get the context - to me that's a really badly worded tweet because it talks about experimental firmware then talks about charging with safe firmware. I think just mentioning that the adapter out of the box failed, without talking about experimental...

It’s actually not clear to me what happened in that tweet. it sounds like they attempted an experimental firmware, charged, then switched to a “safe” one? From my read of it, it seems possible that just attempting the experimental firmware caused the actual damage, not the “safe” one. Are...

Ah ok - I misread and apologize. I’m actually genuinely concerned here - but in that case it sounds to me like there aren’t any issues if you don’t use experimental firmware?

It sounds to me like you've read about anecdotes where non-experimental firmware has caused "the charging systems in their cars [to be] destroyed from using this adapter". I'm interested to learn more to better understand the risk - could you link to these cases?

Mine is already at 1.61-1 when I tried it unfortunately.

Last good one was 2021.32.21 EDIT: Actually I'm not sure if that is OK with the SETEC adapter - I didn't use the adapter for a while so that might not be a "good" version.

After installing 2021.40, I just tried CCS at a nearby EA station and it failed, with the Tesla giving a status error of electric arc risk from the charger. Just a warning to those thinking about upgrading their Tesla firmware.

It's in post 514 - or you can just click this link: Setec CCS to Tesla Adapter