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    Considering a Y or 3 as first T. Worried about Phantom Braking in Los Angeles

    Yes model 3 radar-less still does phantom braking. Would think that radar might help in identifying shadows as only shadows, but it might cause other false triggers as well....
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    1st phantom brake

    I have seen phantom braking in my 2021 radar-less model 3. I can only imagine this will be more of a problem with radar-less cars since the radar would provide a good indication that a shadow is just a shadow and braking is not required. We'll see if they (we) live to regret that radar removal