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    All discussion of Lucid Motors

    Is there any information out there about how cell life under fast charging varies for 21700 cells across the brands or chemistries?
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    All discussion of Lucid Motors

    Lucid and Samsung announced their battery cell deal almost five years ago, in December 2016. At the time, the press releases put more of an emphasis on repeated fast charging than power density, saying: "Significantly, this jointly developed cell achieves breakthrough tolerance to repeated...
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    All discussion of Lucid Motors

    It's hard to know what. Both cars claim identical Cd figures (Lucid recently revised its figure to the same .0208 that Tesla claims), but frontal surfaces are different. The Lucid is fractionally narrower than the Tesla but a full 1.4" lower. However, it's not clear what the suspension height...
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    All discussion of Lucid Motors

    Unless the EPA ratings are to be ignored for purposes of comparing the two cars, at the end of the day, the Lucid Air is more efficient than the Tesla Model S. The EPA rates the range of the Air Grand Touring at 516 miles with a 112-kWh battery pack. No matter whether the Tesla's undisclosed...
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    All discussion of Lucid Motors

    I agree that the higher voltage yields the most benefit with charging speed. However, it does lower internal resistance, and therefore cooling requirements, throughout the system during operation.
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    All discussion of Lucid Motors

    I saw that video a couple of days ago and found Conner's observations a bit unexpected, but interesting. Our Plaid (with 21" wheels) is noticeably quieter than our 2015 P90D (with 19" wheels), and the ride is more compliant -- showing what a long way Tesla has come with suspension tuning and...
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    All discussion of Lucid Motors

    There is a lot more to Lucid's efficiency than exterior dimensions. For starters, they use a 924-volt architecture as compared to Tesla's 386 volts (usually rounded up to 400 in press talk), which reduces internal current and thus heat and thus resistance by a significant amount. They have run...
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    All discussion of Lucid Motors

    So why did you post earlier that the Lucid battery pack was 25% larger than 112 kWh? 118 kWh would be about 5% larger, which is about what Rawlinson suggested when he said it wasn't "decisively" larger.
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    All discussion of Lucid Motors

    The battery packs of both the Dream Edition and the Grand Touring contain 22 modules of 300 21700 form factor cells each, for a total of 6600 cells. The difference in the packs is that the Dream Edition uses cells with a proprietary chemistry that Lucid co-developed with Samsung SDI, and the...
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    All discussion of Lucid Motors

    We took delivery of a Model S Plaid on August 21 (for which we traded our 2015 Model S P90D). We are also in the early delivery queue for a Lucid Air Dream Performance. Tesla has not disclosed the size of the Plaid battery pack. I have seen figures of 100, 98, and 96 kWh . . . but nothing...