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241 pages arguing about the 0-60 ... This is crazy...

Looks like the new off road mode works quite good...

It's exactly the same brakes at previous gen, so the 18's will fit with 15mm spacers... Only difference is a better brake pad compound

This thread is for the general discussion of the marketplace listing Mountain Pass Page Mill 355mm + M3P Calipers. Please add to the discussion here.

Hi, Waiting on my ODB port for my 21 Plaid with 37,000 miles, so I cannot use scan my tesla for now... Was curious, did Tesla update the EPA range for all Plaids (21-24) to show less range or is it only showing on 24's. Asking because mine shows 291-294 miles of range @80%. Would be okay with...

This thread is for the general discussion of the marketplace listing Apex EC7 18*9.5 + Brand New Stickers Bridgestone RE71-RS 255/40 18. Please add to the discussion here.

Can we stop talking 0-60 ? This is not the most important metric for this car...

I don't like the capacitive buttons on the steering wheel personally. You need to press unecessary hard to activate them. And I still did not figure out how to cancel a turn signal lol. Once it's on and the car does not see you changing lane it stays on... I need to see how to cancel...It's my...

I went used Plaid on my side. Do not regret it so far...

Update : Got my Plaid since last Friday :)

Bought a Plaid on my end... The specs seem too timid to my taste... Same brakes, same battery, likely same cooling. Going Plaid and suspension bit+wheels + big brakes seemed the best option for me. Don't see a lot of Plaid in AutoX and Time Trial, I like to be different ;)

Not sure you will clear the front knuckles with a 19x12 wheels especially if you run high negative camber... Or you will need spacers or aggressive offset...

What kind of issues do you have with your 2023 ? I'm planning on changing wheels and most of the suspension + lowering so I'm expecting the vibration issues to be almost non existent...

With 62K do you see any noticeable battery degradation/performance decrease ? Are you running stock suspension or did you put some MPP/UP parts like solid bushings/adjustable control arms/camber arms etc ? I'm not dead on on a 21', might take a 22' with low miles... FYI I plan on keeping my...

Hello, Currently considering used Plaid or new Highland Performance (if the damn specs come at some point ! ) With the depreciation of those cars (though maybe not as bad as 3's) I'm kind of relunctant to put more than 60-65K We can start to see 2021 model year around the 65K mark for around...

Drag racing is an American thing. You forget 90% of the rest of the world. Typical American...

Lot of cars come with decent brakes and suspension stock. Camaro SS 1LE has excellent suspension and brakes, E-diff, cooling from factory for example and is/was a cheap car. Cooling is not easy to add for M3P and is critical...

Once again, same brakes as previous M3P, which is not a good news... OEM brakes are cooked even before the battery overheats on the track... Hopefully this is just a drivetrain test car and brakes will be upgraded... Funny how everyone here is stuck on the motor specs and not things that...

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We clearly cannot have constant 400Nm torque with 159KW power cap as you said. Likely we will have 400 or 430Nm max torque at low rpm (below 3700rpm) and linear torque drop off to maintain 159KW all the way to 8000 or 10000rpm, (200Nm@7400 rpm for example). I would like something like that !

Both. Cooling packages offered by MPP and other improve cooling on track days but not to the point the battery does not overheat before it's empty. Motors overheat as well. (M3P) There needs to be work done on both...

with less than half a lap at full power. Would be 60%+ per lap if the car could hold full 740KW instead of half the lap at 370KW.... Also the plaid would be probably 10s faster on the nurb without power management...

Because he did power management the whole lap to prevent overheat. If you watch Misha Charoudin lap with the gutted track pack Plaid, it goes to 500HP in 3min30s because he went full send since the beginning of the lap. Do yes, without power management the Plaid goes in limp mode in 3min-3min30...

The plaid goes in limp mode in 3min on the ring

I mostly hope they work on cooling more than performance. No point making 650HP if the car goes into limp(battery overtemp protection) mode after 3min of use like current one and Plaid... Hyundai is way ahead on that regard, not even comparable.

Traiblazer RS is 5 star crash rated and honestly I would prefer crashing with it vs the Tesla vs risk of battery fire if going out of the road. Car landing on rocks on a mountain road, not good. The M3 braking is not unsafe with good tires. I have a LOT of high speed racing, AutoX and...

You are correct, by 2 feets it looks like per Cars and Driver testing. Tires are hankook Kinergy GT. Having a M3 braking same distance as a small SUV cannot be considered as an achievement IMO.... Clearly does not feel that way when stomping on the pedal though, maybe the higher sitting...

Of course not running the MXM4 for AutoX lol. I have a set of Apex EC7 in 18's for AutoX (ran RT660 in 22-23 and will run RE71-RS in 2024). I just put -3.3deg of camber in front -1.8deg rear in March and leave it until October. I don't want to change alignment before and after each event. Camber...

Yeah it's an hyperbole but not so far from truth... 172 ft vs 187ft @70mph ... Not a huge difference. My corvette does it in 129FT from 70mph so obviously I was horrified first time I stepped on the pedal on the Tesla with MXM4... and we are only talking about 70mph here... PS4S makes a big...

OP I'm surprised no one mentionned that before (unless I missed it), but the alignment has an important impact on efficiency. setting the toe to be at 0 in front and just a slight toe in at the rear will help. Not sure if your car was ever aligned ? Also a lot of talks about efficiency here...

Looks like to me same brake sizes as current performance, which is not a very good news... Wheels look like 20"s, and the gap between calipers and inside barrel look similar vs current 355mm disks with 20" uberturbines... We can assume modified front and rear vs the camouflage, and clearly no...

The article is full of imprecisions...Need to see if there is a video of the lap... Model 3 chassis is very capable, but not in stock form. And without full power on the whole lap (so cooling) it will be difficult to go under 7min 45. Plaid power drops to 350KW in limp mode

I believe this model 3 lap was a BTG time. You can add 20s for full lap vs BTG...

Sport Auto Drove the Ioniq 5N and did 7min45 on the full lap with P-Zero Corsa. Would have been in the 7min 30's with extreme tires (CUP2R for example) Absolutely no performance degradation during the lap, power stayed consistent the whole time. (Plaid in limp mode after 3.5min, same for a...

To give some context vs LR boost (tesla boost). 09/2021 model on mine, boost, PS4S 235/45 18 on stock 18 with 15 and 20mm spacers, no aero covers, MPP suspensions (lowered), performance brake calipers and MPP disks (Gyrodisks) 11.59s @119.5mph Stock weight. Pretty sure most LR boost run the...

I have an 2021 LR boost and do [email protected]... (18's with PS4S, MPP suspension parts and coilovers, big brakes) Performances are slightly faster...11.7s on a P is no battery conditioning and running 20" uberheavy wheels

Yeah if it was 8.7" tread width it would mean 220mm, which would seem really weird for a 255 tire...

BTW I was looking at tirerack rim width test... I'm wondering if going 255/40 on an Apex EC7 9.5" would not be better than 275/35 ? Weird thing though, at tirerack : 255/35 18 = 9.6" tread width ($328) 255/40 18 = 8.7" tread width ??? A lot cheaper also ($264) 265/35 18 = 9.4" tread width...

It's the sad truth. American workers are less motivated, disciplined and rigorous overall. Turnover is also crazy, so when people have no experience on the job they are less efficient as well. I can clearly tell vs Europe or Asia And like you said Fremont Plant is older and clearly not...

Obviously my job is not designing motors nor inverters or batteries, nor is yours very likely. However I would like to mention that I did doctorate level physics and mathematics before and after school (Arts et Metiers in France one of the best world wide engineering school, general engineering...

I seriously hope they will go away for the 4680 structural packs. This principle is a total disaster from a maintenance standpoint. Not sure if you looked at the video from Sandy Munro video, but structural battery pack = total vehicule loss is one cell of the battery gets bad. No way you can...

Because the Taycan in question is able to do 3 laps within a second of each other per the article, thus maintaining it's full power (on top of better handling and brakes), while the Plaid is only able to sustain max power for 3 min, then drops to 350KW max for the rest of the lap because of...

800V just makes sense for PERFORMANCE cars. For less expensive mainstream cars, the advantage is not necessarly worth the investment and redesign. If 400V was so good, why are the cybertruck and semi using 800V ? Because it's BETTER FOR HIGH LOADS period.

I disagree for the 800V is a better architecture for efficiency and heat management. Components are lighter, smaller motors, inverters are also more efficient, efficiency is higher overall at higher loads (thus speeds), . If everyones goes there, it's because there is a benefit. Even Andrew...

I did a few posts there. The Model 3 is a strong proposition for AutoX agreed. Not to GT3/GT4 level though. I will see next year with better tires, but I was around 1s off the fastest GT3 last year on my local club (few national champions in my club : XSA, STX, CSP and good SS guys)

The really interesting thing about this new record by the Taycan is that they say they were able to do several laps with exactly the same performance, which is almost unheard of. (Ioniq 5N probably able to) Once again 800V architecture and probably strong focus on thermal management. Bad news...

Of course this is how it works. Joules effect is directly linked to amps If you take the same 4V cell, and output 2A or 4A out of it, the heat loss is significantly higher at 4A vs 2A. In the industry where I work, it's better to have a 2000HP motor at 4160V or 13.8KV instead of 480V... Sizes...

800V vs 400V means 2x less amps for the same power, so less heat loss overall in the battery and motors (Joule heating) = equal less cooling needed for same power output