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Your not even arguing my argument correctly. Your so wrong you definitely don’t know what your talking about.

There is also never been a manufacture that dropped prices so much it caused the use market to loose 25k to 30k in value in less than 24h. What was done was unprecedented and no other manufacture is this stupid to hurt every single person who purchase any model tesla before 2023. They are going...

False. The statement is true based on how people feel about the price cuts. The statement is false based on his assertion that Tesla literally broke laws. My statement said that people feel like tesla broke laws. It wasn’t hyperbole at all.

It’s 2023 why are you posted 2019 nonsense thats isn’t even technical. You only make money if you understand charts and not gamble based on published articles that have one goal in mind and that’s to manipulate the market. Charts don’t lie.

I was being generious on those price estimates. In reality its going back to < $25. Any price increases durring this fall is short covering to reduce risk. There is no where to go but down. It hasnt even started capitalization.

Did you not even read my statement…. Jesus. It was a statement on how he made people feel it wasn’t literal. SMH 🤦‍♂️

There actually overvalued still. The stock will fall to $50 before it truly rises again. If teslas salsa don’t improve by 200% over the next year he will single hardly have destroyed tesla. Investors will bail and he will be even more broke. Tesla only bumped up a few dollars after this...

This is true and is also called socialism. The government forced rules on the capitalist market to force price changes in order for a company to qualify for the $7500 discount. Its what killed the values along with Elon musks betrayal. Yes we all expected prices to fall, but there supposed to...

What happened here is not capitalism. When the government gets envolved and controls prices it’s called socialism and a $7500 reduction is not a tiny blip in price reduction. Musk reduced prices to take advantage of that thinking it will benefit tesla but in the long run he may have burned every...

Exactly cars depreciate over time. They don’t drop 20 or 30k overnight. People have this false miss conception that people think that we didn’t understand that it will loose value, of course we did. But at a rate of 20-30k in 24h theoretical it could then also reach 0. If you understand that a...

What happened here is not capitalism. When the government gets envolved and controls prices it’s called socialism and a $7500 reduction is not a tiny blip in price reduction. Musk reduced prices to take advantage of that thinking it will benefit tesla but in the long run he may have burned every...

Bolts burned down peoples houses and risked death.... HUGE difference as to why they were forced to drop prices. I bet there selling under the cost to make it. As for A few burned folks.... You do realize they burned 100% of their customers prior to the price reduction. Every car ever made by...

The stock market sure doesnt think so. Even after his price change the market didnt react with a rally. The little blimp rise that we saw was from shorts covering because they had no idea how the stock would react.. By next week once the shorts feel comfortable again they will pile back on and...

Tesla was always the biggest low baller for there trade ins. When it was selling for more used than new at all the other dealers tesla still offered 10k under the new price. They will never give anyone a reasonable price because thats how greedy they are and always will be when it comes to used...

This thread is not about me getting burned its about the future of tesla. Do you really think car manufactures will take teslas as a trade in after this? You really think that they will say Elon Musk took millions from us over night by doing what the entire car industry has never done over night...

Kudos to those who spend 50k to not be able to find a dealer to ever touch a used tesla again. It had nothing to do with it being an investment or loosing its value it has to do with the fact that he dropped it drastically over night destroying the used car maket and destroying his reputation...

Hopefully its not totalled because your car is worth 33k today. My quote was 33k for a 2022 LR with 4500miles. Elon destroyed the market overnight.

This is not a thread directly talking about the recent 20k to 30k loss in value current tesla owners have faced over the last 72h. We already know that anyone who bought before the price change is screwed and not than Lilly won’t be buying another Tesla or tesla product again. This thread is...

Really? Haha this makes tesla look even worse.

32k loss is worse than my 20k. Elon musk killed his brand over night and will scare all future buyers away with such drastic decision making. It’s just starting to hit the new now. https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/tesla-owners-feel-duped-company-slashes-prices.amp

There higher price wasn’t from inflation it was from being a new manufacturer and the prices decreases are from the batteries blowing up causing fires from bad manufacturing and lost reputation. There price drop is because of that. They didn’t raise prices since so people expect theirs to fall...

There higher price wasn’t from inflation it was from being a new manufacturer and the prices decreases are from the batteries blowing up causing fires from bad manufacturing and lost reputation. There price drop is because of that. They didn’t raise prices since so people expect theirs to fall...

Already replied to a post exactly like this Also there is a reason car manufacturers dont directly sell to the public, it’s to not cause massive fluctuations in used prices and let dealers make a profit on cars or take a loss. MSRP laws were created to protect consumers. Tesla skirted them on...

Msrp is not retail pricing. Jesus you can google this and figure that out.

These links don’t show msrp changes they show dealer price changes. A dealers price adjustment has zero effect on the manufacture recommended price and therfore wouldn’t hurt the used market. As I’ve said before tesla skirted the msrp laws by creating a direct to consumer sales. Government has...

Costco is not a car dealer they don’t post the msrp on every item in their store and show the markup like dealers are required to do by law.

Exactly!!!!! You marked it down at the dealer, the dealer alone is taking the loss of profit or loss from the sale: Your discount to an individual has zero effect on the used market because the used market follows msrp the depreciates from there. What Tesla did not only hurt recent year car...

Show me another car dealer that caused their used market to drop by 20k…. Fanboys need to stop drinking the cool aid. Nothing Elon did was right to anyone that owns his cars. People that pay over msrp understand that they will loose that value. Tesla not having an msrp is very deceiving and...

Not wrong. Why is it that all these trolls refuse to post other car manufactures showing msrp drops of 5+ K this month or ever in their existence??? It’s because it doesn’t exist. What Elon did is a first and destroyed his decade of reputation over night.

Again people posting this are stupid. Show me where he increased prices by 13k over night? Just like he decreased them 13k over night? There is a right way to do bussiness and a wrong way and he did it the wrong way and screwed everyone. His price increases were msrp and slowly increased...

Never thought I’d see the day a cars value could plummet 22-30k over night like we invested in the stock market… yeah Elon did that and killed his brand name overnight. No trust will ever be given to him again for his cars. In 3 months he could reduce them again reducing values by another 10k...

Yea but he Always raised prices in small increments. Never dropped a car by 8 or 13k. Big difference. If he had dropped the price incrementally people would understand. Not dropping that much over night, on top of changing the MSRP of the car. No manufacture has ever done what he did and never...

There are a lot of quotes posted on here from the official Tesla trade ins that quote exactly the same. Some in this thread and in others, like model y. It’s everywhere, and it started with tesla reducing their side and the rest matching Tesla.

Actually what’s selfish is people making comments about a thread where people have the right to complain as their brand screwed them. What’s funny is that those claiming to understand capitalism sure don’t understand capitalism. What happened at Tesla recently wasn’t capitalism it was socialism...

Yup lost 20k overnight. Got an free estimate for 56k in November, renewed my offer yesterday and it’s 33k. I paid 52k so I didn’t loose out the extra 6k that others did after me, but I still lost 22k in value practically over night. No used car has ever dropped like this ever. It’s unheard of...

I posted this on the Y forum thinking I was in the 3 lol, but it’s relevant here too as I have a model 3. Also let’s never forget Elon musks own words. He killed his brand overnight. https://electrek.co/2019/04/12/tesla-vehicles-appreciating-assets-self-driving-elon-musk/

I doubt dealers will drop anytime soon. They got hosed like the rest of us with the sale market. My 2022 LR with less than 5k miles is work 33k. I’ll never sell it for that and dealers won’t either especially since they paid way more for it as a trade in. Maybe by December of 2023 after a year...

Dam, I got a quote earlier. After their millions of loss in value over night there like. Hell no we’re not buying teslas anymore. Screw Elon. I bet their layers are preparing lawsuits over this too. This was my quote from earlier.

People sure don’t understand the auto market. There is a Reason MSRP exists and why dealers do discounts on the price at the dealer in private. It’s to stabilize the value of the cars they sell. If every car manufacture started dropping msrp by 20% people would be afraid to buy new. MSRP doesn’t...

This. It doesn’t matter when you bought the car MSRP doesn’t drop. The dealers provide discounts of 10k or so but they never drop msrp which means the value doesn’t tank for every car with a 10k discount. This is why the values didn’t plummet in Dec 2022 because they were offered a discount not...

Anyone know if the Tesla dealers sell key fobs? I’m going to buy one but trying to decide between ordering it now vs getting it when I pick up the car if they have them. If they don’t then ordering online is my only option lol.

Retrofit would not be cheap at all. Better to decline the car now, and get the proper headlights vs accepting an inferier product you wern't supposed to get in the first place. Thats a straight bait and switch tatic that is illegal in the usa and for anyone to accept a car with old head lights...

This. If you plan to keep your car for at least 3+ years then get the correct headlights. These cars will be so unwanted that the values will drop faster than the rest. No one wants a new car with older technology on it simply because of a supply shortage. Once the supply backlog is gone and...

I didnt want to mistake the lights when i go and pickup my car so i found this image on youtube and took a screenshot to make sure i knew the difference. They look similar, but your's are definitly the reflector ones. If I was you, id pass on that car and wait for a matrix one. I bet thats what...

Banks won’t give a loan with the registration in someone else’s name. They have to know that they have access to the car if they have to repo it. If that’s a problem then get a private loan, otherwise you will both have to be on the loan.

Looks like it’s starting oil over $100. I hope this doesn’t slow down shipments. This could suck for those of us who are still waiting and a big relief for those who got their cars already...

Well if youve been on the edge deciding if you should place an order id do it now. With what happening overseas Id except gas to rise, and tesla to raise prices as well as energy prices rise here soon. I wouldnt be suprised to see a rush of new orders too.

Yeah im glad i ordered it when i did. They changed the systems around and based on what i paid and what the new systems cost the prices appear to have rised.

Mine is actually connected to one of my gateways and since i have two i can always add another one on the other gateway if i wanted to. I actually purchased teslas 17kw solar system and had it setup as two seperate systems since my home has two 200amp panels and since they dont make gateways...

Nice! I didnt get the tesla outlet installed yet since I plan to also run an air compressor from time to time so i opted for a universal outlet and got the 14-50 outlet installed with a 60amp breaker that way i can swap it if i decide to change my mind in the future to have it all match. If i...