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Got it so the rule of having up to 70% of the battery available to you means 231 mileyous of real world range on the MYLR vs 195 miles on the MY Std. Fairly significant drop off unless you just keep the car plugged in all the time.

Do the 4680 batteries have charge issues where you need to maintain them between 20 to 80% or can you keep it at 100% charged? I find the real world usable range on my MYLR is much less than advertised because only 60% of the charge(200 miles) is available to me normally for battery preservation...

Agreed but probably gives them flexibility to de-couple pricing in the future - raise MYLR prices while keeping standard prices flat. That or their pricing team is just inexperienced which I wouldn't be surprised about. I'm not sure the number of price cuts in reaction to demand is a feature...

Looks like the best time to buy a Tesla these days are at the beginning of the quarter when they deplete their last quarter demand. The introduction of the standard AWD model Y is what they should've done in January rather than destroy the value of MYLR and MYP overnight for those buyers - would...

Just tested it. The front distance detection system is pretty useless compared to USS systems I’ve used in other cars. There’s such a large gap due to the camera blind spot in the front that a competent driver can eye ball the distance better. Maybe helpful to vision impaired drivers. The rear...

Any idea how well this works in the front of the car? Anyone risked their car to try it out? I noticed the backing in worked well but there's a clear front blindspot on the Model Y at least that I'm not sure how they will address.

I tend to agree about the looks of the ix (just Picked it as an example) but from a pricing perspective I think there’s a lot more price they can cut based on where other premium suvs land. Model Ys we’re at rock bottom for sure.

There's probably another $10k price drop that's easily justifiable if demand is indeed softening at the high end of luxury (BMW iX MSRP is at $90k)

Short of something falling off, they will say most comesetic issues are within spec. I took delivery at the Fremont factory and made sure my model y was free of all visible defects. They said a lot of defects were within spec when we went through them. The only reason they fixed it was this was...

i tried the subscription after making the original post - decided it wasn’t worth it - the benefits were marginal and not worth what they were charging. Basic autopilot is generally good enough. Also, some of the decisions the car makes is highly questionable. The EAP feature set should really...

Good comparison. My casual observation is that Rivian currently occupies the Hummer H1 niche of EVs. It doesn't necessarily need to be a better car if it takes off due to distinctive styling and value proposition. However, the market for such a product is limited so their future Rivian R2 and...

It’s deserved - Asshole drivers are everywhere but brand is definitely tainted these days between bad CEO press, the whole price cut and screwing customers, and persistent bad quality and customer service. Many of my friends who can afford teslas are avoiding it to not suppprt Elon Musk even...

Sorry that you had your time wasted but good job on rejecting. As an fyi, my rear window developed an issue that let in lots of rain water. Luckily I was able to dry the car out. However, My service appointment to fix it on feb 10 got moved to February 27 unilaterally by the service center...

At the end of the day, it’s the customers fault here most people overlook these issues and still buy the car. Tesla doesn’t care about the customer because their customers have low standards and overlook the problems. Until there’s meaningful competition that hits demand, they won’t care.

Most people don’t treat cars like stock purchases - we’ll see.

this will be interesting to see if anyone is willing to buy now that prices are coming up higher again.

The SAs will say anything to get the sale. However, once you accept delivery, you’re going in the back of the line for the service center like everyone else. Make them fix all obvious issues before you take delivery. You will not get this attention afterwards.

I took delivery at the Fremont factory and walked around looking for exterior defects for other cars while waiting for them to fix mine - A LOT, I don’t want to say most, but A LOT had all kinds of random small cosmetic defects yet they were “ready for delivery.” My guess a lot of people...

Think they’re going to just do nothing realistically but the backlash is at least getting some good coverage. https://www.wsj.com/articles/teslas-big-price-cuts-fuel-owner-backlash-116750384 The sad thing is ford did the bare minimum but still look customer friendly because of teslas low bar.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/30/business/ford-mustang-mach-e-pricing/index.html How you properly segment the customer base and lower prices without major existing customer blow back. Also, note that they're doing something for Jan 1 and onward customers vs nothing.

Make sure you inspect the car before taking delivery and make sure it's acceptable to you. I inspected my car and found issues in Fremont at the factory - took two trips back to the factory to fix it. Their customer service is horrible so don't expect them to fix any of your issues in a timely...

My take on this is if you can only buy one SUV for example - you want to have the convenience of gas for longer range trips (e.g. roadtrip) and the benefits of electric day to day. I think it's an irrational anxiety at this point but it's there. I think the super chargers do make it more...

Yup - look at the back order and the mark ups for the Toyota rav 4 prime. All of that demand is based on range anxiety with electric charging.

I agree actually - which is why the best thing to do for those affected is to never buy from them again and for prospective buyers to avoid Tesla if they care about customer service and being treated well. Actions need to have consequences. You only have yourself to blame for enabling this type...

I don't think the Tesla fan boys and girls will agree and this will end in circular arguments. Nor do I think Tesla will care now that the stock price has recovered from the 120s - although it might be a good opportunity to buy some puts on the stock since there's so much volatility here just...

(moderator note) As mentioned, the thread for price discussion is stickied at the top of this subforum and can be found here: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/discussion-model-3-and-y-price-drop-jan-2023-pricing-speculation-etc.290693/ Please direct all further discussion on this topic...

Given the location of the sensors, don't expect it to perfectly replace USS. If you're a normal 50th percentile competent driver, you should be able to easily back into most spots without issues with the cameras. Where the issue is the front, with no cameras or any way to visualize that area...

Yeah so maybe they sell only to buyers who are looking for the cheapest possible price. But anyone who doesn't qualify or if/when subsidies go away - why would they trust Tesla's pricing ever again unless it goes down in a meaningful way. Cars right above the subsidy line doesn't seem to be...

That's a fair statement. However, that's a short-term benefit - longer-term, will customers outside of diehard fans ever trust Tesla again? If Tesla were to raise prices by say $5k or $7k in Q2, would anyone dare buy knowing it can tank any time and get burned?

Ok, thanks. I'm looking at better information than you are.

It was mentioned here in one of these threads that they gave the customers who recently bought a refund for the difference. The appropriate time frame of that is a fair debate but nonetheless, customers who bought a day or two before was not left out to hang.

Which car company tanks their msrp so drastically and screw recent buyers? Can’t seem to remember….

So if you didn’t buy a Tesla, then you’re just a troll on this forum for kicks? Find something more meaningful with your life.

Eh even if that’s true, way too much bs to deal with. My original point, So much for making the auto buying experience better, instead Tesla is just acting as one giant dishonest car dealership.

spoken like someone who did not get screwed by the price drop. Tesla could have ripped the band aid and softened the blow to recent customers. They made their decision - it’ll be their one and only car purchase with me and many other buyers. I have yet to see anybody who got screwed by Tesla...

Spreadsheet source? And date. Looks like Tesla wipes out all its profits then. Existing automakers have been investing in ev capacity and product differentiation so that data is very time dependent.

I don’t think Tesla has a monopoly on supply chain efficiencies in the automotive industry. A lot of what they’ve done is fairly common sense and just need ramp up - my guess is a lot of ice cars are already built this way - tesla just know how to market it well. As for the dealer network, I...

I’m sure by the time he’s ready for his next car, many of these features will be standard. The technical gap isn’t much anymore and he has car play, which will is still better than teslas half hearted Apple Music app. Competition is great and I hope the innovation isn’t just on price

Good article although somewhat self serving to the marketing industry and I doubt it’ll convince the Tesla bros. The one main thing that’s missing is maybe they were able to improve their cost structure from before so there’s more margin. I think the rest of their points are very valid though.

Op should just casually dissuade his riders from buying teslas. The challenge is how to do this while driving a Tesla

I was debating the Ford MachE vs Tesla Model Y very closely before I bought the Tesla. Overall I thought the Ford looked like a much nicer car than the Tesla. However, I pickled the Tesla mainly due to practical reasons such as a noticeably smaller trunk space vs what I need to transport kid...

I appreciate your positivity but not sure resale value will follow. Tesla now has one of the oldest non-refreshed product lines in the EV world. They're puling the one lever they have to move inventory - price to a new more price sensitive customer segment. They will also flood the market with...

Maybe, quality is a form of product differentiation. I think the main issue is that Tesla only has one lever that it can pull today - price. It might be a major competitive advantage but that was the same lever that the Detroit automakers tried to pull in the 1990s and early 2000s when customer...

The Japanese automakers disrupted the then big three automakers because they focused on quality.

Their fundamental assumption is we're all focused on money at the end of the day. In 3 to 5 years, if they are still the market leader by volume (who knows?) with the best product (will be debatable) at the cheapest possible price (maybe), you will forgive them for burning you for $10k and come...

Can you actually claim a tax loss for this if you're not a business owner?

I'll repost what I posted earlier to another forum member since you seem motivated to do something: Here's some options (USA Gov Car Complaints) for slighted consumers. There's multiple avenues you can explore here. I'd also make sure to opt out of arbitration and consider writing your local...

My last car is 14 years old with 146k miles and counting although much slower now with the Model Y. Time will heal the pain and amortize the cost down but that $10k lost upfront is something that I won't ever recover. I don't really care about resale value but upfront cost and I don't see it as...

How funny…mocking people online for their frustration at their financial loss. Guess this is what the Tesla brand is all about

In case you're curious on pricing, I was reading some Wall Street equity research reports on Tesla to understand the impact here of the decision. One analyst from a big investment bank for the Model Y forecasted $49,500 by the end of 2023 and $43,000 by the end of 2025. Take it with a grain of...