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Funny how you measure to the tenth and hundredths of a second yet don’t hesitate to add 200lbs of weight to the MSP. It’s one of the lightest EVs in its class at 4800lbs. Don’t fat shame our MSP. lol Carry on

I'm waiting for a call from the Tesla Service Center tech why they're insisting the pads and rotors have to be burnished to explain why someone put 20 miles on my ride. SMFH. Gracias.

qq - when replacing the track pack calipers, just the calipers and reusing the existing pads and rotors, is there any reason to burnish the brakes yet again?

Anything but the very latest Model S fails the look back test for me in the current Tesla lineup. Thus, this new 3 or X or Y or Cybertruck will never have my name on the title. Proportions are all wrong to visually delight.

I actually pommel horse it getting into my ‘23 so my seat bolster zero wear forever. My left hand on sill to lift my arse up and over rarely touching any fake leather. Zero wear in any of my vehicles. my LC on 37s, obviously different technique. I’m water tank verified 6% body fat and have...

I’d rock the Taycan turbo gt over the sapphire no doubt on just looks and brand alone. it's the best looking EV sedan on the market now: 1) tgt; 2) Audi rs e-tron refresh; 3) MSP. Love the competition! I wonder how lucid got it done sans carbon sleeves and what the actual top speed is on the...

Has anyone installed their Jupiter spoiler on a Plaid with pics? I'd like a bit more of an aggressive look to the rear. I will be having it professionally installed at my trusted body shop so not interested in adhesion, but more so on quality long term (fading, fitment, etc).

The rears look like regular seats which I'm cool with - pls keep this thread updated with retrofit options as soon as Tesla makes them avail. Thanks!

Track Pack brakes and these new seats are a must. I'll be the first to order to complete my '23.

Google is your friend

8K miles on my '23 Plaid with OEM PS4S running -1.1 rear camber via N2itive forged arms... negligible wear even on the very innermost tread. I hope to get 20-25K miles out of the rears. Pretty amazing what basic vehicle alignment knowledge gets you in return. Shock of the century.

Spacers suck

They look great. I’m guessing $10k at the shop with install at tsc. Hope they offer all black.

My $.02 in brackets - gl!

For posterity, here are Tesla's part #s for the rear AP Racing calipers. CALIPER ASSY, RR RH, PERFORMANCE PACK(1420606-20-C) CALIPER ASSY, RR LH, PERFORMANCE PACK(1420605-20-C)

Track Pack calipers are AP Racing branded not Brembo. Not sure if it makes any difference since Brembo owns AP Racing. Good luck!

That sucks

I default to low and manually raise to high via long press which works brainlessly great for me. I have very little tire wear on my OEM PS4S because I had it professionally aligned to ~1.1 rear camber via N2itive arms on low. I'm hoping to get 20-25K miles out of my rear tires currently at 7K.

Left scroll wheel customization. Obviously, we get the suspension height feature.

I just have raise suspension assigned to my left jog wheel press.

My '23 MSP is my first EV. I made the purchase with eyes wide open. Panel gaps and all that - don't really care unless egregious (none found) Creaks and rattles - plenty of it at parking lot speeds, but knew this is par for Model S course 3rd world service centers - yup, check Stupid...

The only concern I had buying my first Tesla/EV was inherting another person's problem so I bought a new MSP and there's $10K more money in my pocket to do the same thing all over again today. I also only decided to pull the trigger when I learned about these 3 things: 1) Tesla widened the...

Same. Respect to the Model S OGs, but I recently drove my cousin's enthusiast owned, 1 owner, always garaged, 30K mile 2015. It looked & felt like an absolute shtbox relic compared to my 2023. Bicycle tires. Narrow hips. Early 2000s rear LED lights off the Toys R Us shelf. And I haven't...

June 2023 Model S Plaid is my first EV. I have another ICE truck with stalks and a round wheel and all that. King of road rocket power never boring King of road, supercar braking never boring Brainless home and best available Supercharging network, total peace of mind I love the look and...

Excessive neg camber is going to bear the weight of the rolling vehicle where it's closest to the stiff sidewall v. evenly distributing load across the tread, thus the crazy wear you're seeing in your handy pic, thanks. And we need to stop parroting the bush league Tesla Service advisor...

I never claimed to have any empirical evidence yet you bring in your stick game from your keyboard pounding pulpit with ego pics of your rubber collection as if it’s PS4S gospel. You egotistical forum engineering types run rampant online. What’s absolute fact is neither you or I have access to...

You can pound on your keyboard and stick poke at your rubber collection all day, but without actual objective data to stake claim that the t2s are no different performing tires than non t2s is Ms Cleo inane. Car forum engineer flex. 🤣 But hey maybe he is a Michelin tire tester. 🤷🏻

Chill Ms Cleo chill. Any garage monkey can deduce that there’s much more to assessing tire construction and perf characteristics than a poke test. My personal ps4s obs only. Maybe it’s the weight. Maybe it’s different compounds used. The T2s are a wonderful, stickier street tire compared to...

Nice stick test 👍🏼

Do a scientific materials analysis and a carcass breakdown to imbue us with your tire expertise. In my nonscientifc experience having run ps4s exclusively on a number of sporting vehicles, the t2s kick up the most rocks no question. Tire science is black magic.

My bad. Forgot you got tp wheels too. I’m guessing it may have to do with the tp wheels likely sitting a little more flush than the arachnids which have pretty conservative offsets. My Forgelines certainly fit flush to fender front and rear but I don’t even notice since I’ve got xpel doing its...

They're not Track Pack sized. They're called T2s. It's because they're extra sticky, designed to handle the immense power and torque of the refreshed S. Awesome tire. My MSP was fully XPel'ed from new.

What were the alignment specs that you confirmed with them numerous times?

You don't need the track to enjoy awesome brakes and awesome looks. But hey do you.

Dump the itsy bitsy commuter dork 19s and get the Track Pack with proper tires and wheels. It’s better than Porsche 911 ccb hwd braking experience in a big arse toaster sedan with world class speed. Enjoy!

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Call Forgeline USA. Don’t cheap out on wheels. An MSP with TP deserves the best. Good luck!

I just got back from a grocery run in my yoked MSP. It was an uneventful drive to and fro on Sunset Blvd. Have a nice day.

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Worthless review and about what I expect from MT. Track Pack is much more than big ccbs as owners have assessed. Quit complaining about the yoke when THERE IS A ROUND WHEEL AVAILABLE as standard. I have zero delusions that the Sapphire is the superior ev performance sedan. But for double the...

They look like... ...cheap, made in China knock offs of made in China originals. No offense.

Uh no. I think unclepaul may be on one of this binges again.

I'd rather live with the parking lot speed creaks and clicks than be anywhere near the remote vicinity of a TSC. Some of y'all love having random techs touch your ride like it's going out of fashion. Even when I went in to get my Track Pack brakes installed, a quick walk around revealed some...

My opinion is anything narrower than the 295 ps4s look like bike tires on a car the size of the current model s esp when seen from behind on the freeway. 🤢 look at how horrible the pre 21s look. Even worse with the narrow body plus narrow tires with inboard wheels. 🤮 Plus for those who want the...

Mine was $114k back in June 2023. Now it’s $104k. Not losing sleep or keystrokes over it.

Zero vibes up to 190 mph, June ‘23 MSP bought new, Track Pack, Forgeline 21” wheels running T2 PS4S tires. I’d def check the run out values of any wheel you’re running on top of getting wheel+tire road force balanced by a capable Hunter tech. Vibes absolutely suck and ruin the ownership...

Tire diameter has nothing to do with it as they're largely the same between the OEM 19s and 21s from factory. The TP brakes require their 20" Track Pack wheels or the 21" Arachnids to clear. Brake calipers are m m massive. The rears may be the biggest calipers I've ever seen.

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EV or ice or hybrid, the Sapphire is one of the best driving cars in the world today per respected auto enthusiasts/journos like Jason Camissa. That’s insane high praise whether you’re BMW M or a young company like Lucid living a murky, existential reality. I have zero delusions that the...

Yes, sir! Gracias.