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    Tax credit ≠ subsidy

    I see the tax credit is simply an incentive to go with a newer technology that may need a push for some people to jump into. Of coarse you need to have an income and pay taxes to take advantage of it or it doesn't do you much good. I don't think the credit is the only reason 500,000 placed...
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    New Motor Trend articles on Model 3

    I noticed MotorTrend estimates the length to be 184.1"- that was some new information I didn't know before and not surprised about. I was figuring about 182" last month.
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    Lease ending before Model 3 arrives, what to do?

    I would buy out the lease instead of extending the lease. When you extend the lease, you get no breaks and pay the same high lease payment like the day it was new. Naturally Nissan would love it if you did extend the lease. I recently paid $8500 for our 2013 Leaf with 29k miles on it- out the...
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    Model 3 Potential: Police Cars?

    I could see community service vehicles being electric now, but those vehicles tend to be vans and something not available yet. Besides size, police cruisers have high demands for 'heavy duty' parts: cooling, suspension, brakes, etc. I don't see Tesla or aftermarket vendors investing in this...
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    Cloth seats?

    We have a Nissan Leaf with a cloth interior and it's great! I have had leather for so long that it seemed like a bit of a downgrade at first; however, the Leaf even has seat heaters in which seems unusual for cloth interiors of my past. With cloth, you really wouldn't need cooled seats in the...
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    Credit card fraud on preorder?

    Exactly- I would suspect Amazon more than Tesla. I have had a couple of frauds on my AMEX card and that number was used at Amazon and occurred long before 3/31/16 when I used the card for the M3 reservation. I have had about 4 defrauded card numbers in 4 four years so it's not a rare event for me.
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    What will Smart Air Suspension cost on Model 3?

    I don't understand the need for all the polls on the options and what their cost will be. We don't even know the length of the car, so how will we as a forum project the cost of options? Our opinion doesn't make a big impact on what Tesla's costs are anyway. With that said, I think taking the...
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    Model 3 Steer Wheel

    That wheel rim is hefty- probably double the thickness of my Acura steering wheel. It kind of reminds me of a 16" bicycle intertube that's partially inflated. The photo is too dark to see the bottom details of the central region. It reminds me of the old 911 steering wheels a little. It is...
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    Motor Trend live at Gigafactory with Model 3 today!

    The motor trend guys really didn't know much. We all heard the base model will be under 6 seconds a couple weeks ago. The AWD variant is not base and will be much quicker. That's when I lost my confidence in their reporting abilities. They seemed to be very interested in the door handles...
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    Petition to increase the EV tax credit cap

    The tax break was designed to entice manufactures to develop electric cars which is an expensive endeavor to begin and make a profitable car. I have problems extending the 200k limit to companies like Tesla which are 100% on board with making these cars. The U.S. government can't afford this...
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    Model 3 spotted in the wild!

    I tried to guestimate the length of the M3 compared to the the length of the motorcycle by stopping the frame with the police escort near front bumper.- it would have been great if the bike came on the drivers side so I had to guess were the bike ended behind the car. It seems like the M3 is...
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    Model 3 120V charging, will it be more common?

    Regarding Point #2: how confident are you that the 9 miles per hour charging will be reality? If it's not, then there are lots of people who commute 40 miles to work and they might even take their car to lunch so that could reduce charging time by an hour. The other point is that maybe...
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    Model 3 120V charging, will it be more common?

    Just saw the additional info now- so the 110V would be sort of a trickle charge idea for keeping the energy grid healthy? It would not solve the other problem about having a real charging solution for anybody with a long daily commute.
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    Model 3 120V charging, will it be more common?

    ^ I agree- I was wondering initially what this was all about and am still lost on the battery storage concept. I guess the charging concept is that the current 110V charge is slow at 4.5 miles added per charge hour. So a 12 hour charge results in about 54 miles of range being added to the...
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    How will you pay for your new model 3?

    I would advise against buying SUNE if you have any hopes of paying cash for a M3. I believe they are declaring bankruptcy soon. You would be better off buying VRX which I also wouldn't recommend because of its situation either. There are much better choices out there. Reminds me of a phone...
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    Model 3 Dimensions

    ^ note that the government tests production cars; however, Tesla's CAD system is very capable of simulating crashes. I think Tesla already has a good idea of how this car will perform in a crash test- the big variable is how the test evolves over time. The overlap crash test is relatively new...
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    Model 3 Dimensions

    ^158" is what a 4 door Mini Cooper measures, so I guess it's possible for the M3 to be that small. The car did not look that short though looking at those videos with real people near the cars. I think the car will be sized closer to a Honda Civic which is 182". The earlier post with the 180"...
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    Making room for Model 3?

    I have a little time to think things out, but will need to either move our tent trailer out of the garage (right bay) OR buy an extension cable for my existing 220V charger. The current 16' cable won't make it to a M3 parked in left bay of my garage if charge port is on driver's (left) side...
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    Model 3 Dimensions

    ^ I think we'll find out in 2016 what the approximate length of the car will be. There is not much competitive advantage keeping the length secret when these cars have been out in public. I think we're close in our guesses on the length anyway- I say 183" +/- 2 inches.
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    Lease vs. Cash

    I believe I got the check from the government and not Nissan. This was 2.5 years ago but I think I would have remembered a check from Nissan. The dealer took care of the paperwork sent to government and I received two checks. Tesla does things different and I had no idea how good Nissan was in...
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    Best economy, cruise control or mild hypermile

    I have never used cruise control in my cars for these reasons- my brain does a better job processing the driving environment than the cruise control. Seems like Tesla could do a better job in this regard by using the standard speed set point along with a +/- mph tolerance to handle hills-...
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    Lease vs. Cash

    I didn't have to do anything special. The dealer said that leasing had a big advantage over buying and he was right in this regard. I received both Federal and CA checks about 2 months after leasing the Leaf. The buy option would give me a credit on my taxes but I would have had to wait 6...
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    Lease vs. Cash

    I have bought most of my cars with the exception of the 2013 Nissan Leaf that we leased. Both options have their advantages but it depends on you and how long you like to keep your cars. I think any person who keeps cars 5-10 years will find buying the better option in the majority of cases...
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    Model 3 Dimensions

    If you check on actual dimensions of Model S, you'll see that it is closer to 195". Using wheels or license plate dimensions is causing some under-estimates in calculated length. Somebody should tweet Elon onwhat the length is and maybe he would clear this up?
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    Model 3 Dimensions

    The M3 looks to size closer to the 2016 Honda Civic dimensions than 1992 Civic. I was just studying a new Civic today and see more similarities to the M3 (than a BMW 3 Series ) in exterior side styling. The 2016 Civic is 182.3" and has a 106.3" wheelbase and has 16-17" max size wheels.
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    Tesla Model 3 vs Chevy Bolt

    I want to confirm this point because I think this might be in error possibly. When I leased my 2013 Leaf, there was no issue with getting the full credit. It was actually better leasing in this regard than buying because the credit came straight to me in about 60 days and I didn't have to wait...
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    What Are Your Daily Driver Plans While Awaiting the Model 3?

    I just bought out the lease of our 2013 Leaf S which was going to end in August. The car has 29,000 miles and I got it for $8500 out the door. I thought that was a great deal for buying a car I know from day #1 that had a 14k residual value. I figure the entire car cost me $12K to own for 3...
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    Does anyone view the 3 like the Mercedes C230?

    I don't think the M3 will dilute the Tesla brand any more than a 3Series BMW does for BMW. The C class Benz is a pretty nice car- even the lessor and FWD CLA seems to be holding its own. Some people like smaller cars and will buy even if the smaller car was more expensive.
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    Mary Barra, what is going through your mind right now?

    If I was Mary, I would be more concerned about the new Nissan Leaf than the Tesla M3. With the exception of range, cost, and the Bolt being electric- the two cars will be in two different classes. Also, if I were her I would be very concerned about initial quality- the Bolt needs to be...
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    How to save for Model 3?

    TSLA has a lot to prove in ramping up production and kicking out quality cars that don't have issues the first 90 days of ownership. With that said, I took a leap of faith and reserved a M3 on 3/31/16. While I like TSLA the company, I'm not so sure about buying the stock at these levels until...
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    Deciphering the Reservation number

    I'll take a guess that the number might be your reservation number possibly? It could be that when you make two reservations that second reservation gets a higher number than the first and is not sequential as you would initially guess. It seems that the 107 .vs. 108 doesn't imply locale. I...
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    Model 3 Dimensions

    160" seems pretty short- the Nissan Leaf is 175" and the tesla has a longer profile. I know you are factoring 20" wheels but what about the tire size? You'll need to add 4" or so to account for the tire possibly. I have garage issues that limit the length of the car I can park- so 190" is my...