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It's not. I have two cars with USS and Radar and they don't have FSD either. It's just Tesla's ineptitude and Elon's lies that are the reason you don't have it now. Plenty of cars with your configuration do have FSD running. As the sycophants will tell you, it's both a good thing you don't have...

I hope they are. I'd much rather the money I can get from suing again than FSD for a month.

I'd simplify it to this. If you are repeatedly losing AutoX's by a tenth of a second, then get wider tires. If you are hoping they'll gain you a half second, you need to work on the driver.

And I did not on either of my cars, despite Elon saying I would. Yet another Tesla lie about FSD after 7 years of lies. That's what I actually care about. I guess it takes the sting away to know that people agree that I would find it unimpressive though.

That's OK because this is about collecting more data now that they are not compute constrained, right? Not about sales or share price. Same reason they are lowering car prices too. More data.

I'm actually here because I don't yet have the "impressively quick fix for the minor technical snag" and I'm wondering what the current rationale for that is from those who have have made arguments for the delay before. It's a good thing you're not a Tesla lawyer however, nothing like the...

I agree like I've been saying for weeks. To be clear though: short term cash flow. Not "profits". If FSD is about to be real and amazing and worth $100k like Elon always said, then a fire sale doesn't look to be a smart long term profit move. It looks like a company that needs cash in Q2 2024...

Remember - wider tires do not put more tread on the ground. Only lower pressure does that. Wider tires change the contact patch shape. But as in all things tires, it's complicated.

So, been three weeks and the "minor technical snag" is still not resolved and a huge set of cars don't have FSD. Wonder how long before it's not amazing how quick Tesla is? Price cuts on FSD for sure tell us how Tesla is very sure of themselves and how valuable FSD is and that it just needs...

Not to knock anyone, but that driver has run multiple other national tours and has never placed well when there is strong competition. In 2023 in Vegas they ran 1s slower than AS and 3.5 seconds off at Lincoln. In Vegas the top AS car was an Elise, so that was not even a max competitive AS...

Glad we're having such a useful discussion that we can cut things up and take them out of context and claim victory via snark. Always the sign of someone confident that their position is well founded.

Always ironic to be called a "hater" when I've owned five Teslas, two currently, been an owner since 2016, and am currently highly involved with racing Teslas and increasing their acceptance in the performance car world. Especially ironic to be called that by someone that missed the first 5...

How is this relevant to the discussion? As long as you're the perceived leader, it doesn't matter if you lie, and everything you do is amazing? Tesla is just the noisiest and most public. But comparing Waymo and Tesla is hilarious- Tesla is solidly L2 with a human responsible for everything...

Who and what are you even discussing? What "wise and painful adjustment"? I'm the one here saying that FSD is an L2 toy. So yeah, it's personal responsibility. But that also means I am unwilling to say that "Tesla is doing amazing with safety critical software, how great are they!?" - because...

If you have it in writing that they will charge you $1K + tax, then you can calculate the tax yourself. When you requested it, did you give them a reason you believe it should be free? Make sure you send a request to resolutions@tesla,com like your purchase agreement says to, another place you...

And some people will defend Tesla no matter what they do and will make up excuses with no evidence. Same as it's always been.

You can't have "user error" against a "safety critical" system. You're proving my point. FSD is L2. Tesla can (and has) released complete trash FSD software. It's not "amazing how fast Tesla is getting life critical software out". This flat out isn't life critical software, it's a R&D toy...

This would be either breach of contract/warranty, or other. It's false advertising which is a kind of contract. You need to first ask Tesla for this upgrade for free and get a quote from them. The judge will not look kindly about you showing up in court having not even asked if they would do...

@canary1023 - 95% of what I know is in the very first post. Once you read that, ask away. What is your specific case where you believe you have a claim?

Have you missed every single time Tesla has been sued or had NHTSA come after them? Their argument every single time is that this is L2, and is NOT "critical" software and that it cannot injure anyone. Only bad drivers not paying attention can be injured. I am so confused how you think this is...

"Funding secured" "All cars this week" "Faster than a Porsche 911 in a quarter mile" "The driver is only here for legal reasons" "These windows won't break when you throw a metal ball at them" All lies, all not future looking. And this is ignoring all the craziness around what he's said about...

I know of a family with two Model 3's. One is on advanced, one is on standard. The advanced one got 3.X and the FSD trial. The standard one is on 8.9 now and no FSD trial. It's a placebo: Software Update Standard vs Advanced

About 10% of TeslaFi users have AP HW4, which has only been shipping for a year. There's even 50 cybertrucks in there. So the user base is not really statistically biased to older users. But the simple answer is that they have 20K cars reporting their SW version, and that's the best data we...

1) As you say, "Elon said" they were no longer compute constrained. 2) Elon is a known liar. See "All US cars getting FSD trial this week." See "Cybertruck can tow 911 over quarter mile faster than 911." See "funding secured." "All cars have all HW needed for FSD." "That guy is a pedo" "Maps for...

How do you get TeslaFi to give you this geographic data? I cannot find it anywhere on their site.

2017 Model X, 2018 Model 3, 2022 Model 3, 2023 Model 3 are all on 8.X. Can you share how to look at TeslaFi data down to the state level? If you can do that, you can easily see what exact percentage in the USA is on various versions. What % of the USA is on 8.X vs 12.X? One would note that...

That is one of the more creative pro-Musk interpretations I have ever heard. "Tesla has written the software, so your car is "enabled" for it. We're just testing and validating it, and not putting it on your car" I mean in that case, my car was "enabled" for FSD in October 2016. Why call out...

Got a source for this? At least 60% of the cars I know of in Seattle are on 8.X. Teslafi shows the highest density of 8.X is in the USA. I see no such data indicating that 8.X is a mostly non-USA version. 8.9 is being rolled out hard in the USA right now. Why was Tesla not "well aware" 2 weeks...

In the post right above yours I report getting 8.9 today and still don't have the FSD trial. I seems pretty clear if you are on 8.X, you're not getting the trial (for now?).

2024.8.9 installed for about 30 minutes now, no email, no option for FSD in the in-car UI. So weird that Elon, given how well informed and stable he is, would not have known that they couldn't put FSD on half of the cars, even after a firmware update, and that clearly this was about technical...

I just got 2024.8.9 pushed to my 2017 Model X w/HW3. Wonder if this will enable FSD? Just says minor fixes and improvements.

Sorry, I'm using the data from Jason. Up to you to quote your source of 2.17s instead of 2.28. Note the UNPREPPED surface used here for both accel and braking. Plus, as I say, this is purely because of the tire mismatch, and the braking of the S is not great, and the 3 is already better. To...

Plaid does 0-60 (no rollout) in 2.28. It does 60-0 in 2.38. This takes 98 feet and 104 feet respectively. Not sure I would call that "way quicker". Especially since plenty of cars can stop from 60 in around 90 feet and this poor braking is a reflection of the larger tires in the rear than the...

This is clearly it, as all the cars I know of are on 8.7. Given half the fleet is on 8.7, this is just another Elon lie.

Both my cars are on WiFi with gigabit fiber I for sure know of a 2023 and 2022 without it. My cars are 17 and 18 but absolutely have the hardware needed.

So, now been two weeks, most cars I know of don't have the trial. This includes model 3s. What is the current theory on why not?

VPN says what?

1) What do you mean taking up Tesla's time? This is the ability to rent toolbox yourself and do the swap yourself. No Tesla time at all. 2) woosh. It was a joke in a time when Telsa is desperate for any cash. For instance, They're bringing back FSD transfers. Gotta keep yanking that demand lever...

Given Tesla's current sales and finances, an extra $165 from previously sold cars probably sounds good to Tesla right now.

Except nowhere does Tesla use the term "supervised" anywhere on screen or in the docs. They do use "beta" however. You know what else is in Beta in Tesla land? Auto wipers and lane keeping as you can see above. For the last decade. So yeah, it tells you that it's very, very far away.

As in the Toolbox that you can subscribe to for $165 a day?

He's talking about when you run custom uprights that improve suspension geometry.

But not why many (most?) Model 3's and Y's still don't have it. Which also makes me suspicious that the selfie camera is tied to it, especially since this limitation would set up Tesla for significant liability. You can subscribe a non-selfie car to FSD no problem....

Head over here and consider taking Tesla to small claims or arbitration. Tesla sold you a car that is FSD capable, yet it clearly is not ("All FSD capable cars are getting it"). Can you link to this? Elon was clear that it's for all FSD capable cars.

I was there a year ago in a rental Tesla with just basic AP and it did fine on Highway 17. If you stay between the lines that's success. What's special about how "FSD" handles this?

Are you worried that XA goes the CAM-C route and drops in the "no electric or hybrid-electric vehicles" line? CAM-C did this despite a Model 3 being 100% compliant with every other CAM-C rule (weight, seating, American made, etc)... XA's already running a fine line with the rule "All vehicles...

Tesla has never marketed track performance with anything non-Plaid, have they? And even with Plaid, that's with the track pack. If they do it with the M3L, it will be with a track pack too (remember that the M3P already has a track pack) All they care about advertising in stock form is 0-60, top...

So much for the theory that people outside of major, well mapped cities aren't getting it because Tesla is waiting for better maps. In Seattle, my friend group is only up to 2/10 cars that have it.

Non square widths are a detriment to handling on the well balanced model 3. Nobody that races one goes wider in the rear. This is about making the car look more aggressive without taking too much of a range hit. It's marketing, just like the 20" wheels are. Look at all the people in the thread...

Bring this over to the correct thread, and read the details: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/how-to-sue-tesla-over-historical-claims.287089/ Thanks for calling me a liar, but ask your family about how small claims works you think small claims judgments or even standard legal judgments...